Juan you were killing lawful NPC's in front of Manhattan, rather than just engage you (which I could have done as you were killing lawfuls in front of me) I demanded the release of the Bounty Hunters in your hold. You attempted to cruise off I attacked you, another player in a Liberty GB came over and dealt far more damage to you than I did. You exploded to the death message killed by an NPC.
After this you PM me mostly in CAPS (becasue if you have a point it's alot clearer in capitals) calling me a terroist and threatening me with a sanction.
Since when does your rep screen make you immune to the law or server rules? I have killed so many Outcasts and allies that I am now white with Xenos, does this mean I should now go dock on Ouray? I make a demand, you cruise off! Thats enough to get you killed in itself never mind killing lawful NPC's in full view of me. Next time any LSF, SA or LPI stop and make a demand of you in Liberty you do not move until they release you.
Depends where.
In Serbia, he can demand your underwear if he likes, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Anyway, there are 2 problems here.
LSF isn't hostile to Junkers.
Junkers aren't hostile to BHG.
So, why did you have Bounty Hunters in your hold, is the first question.
Even worse, why would you refuse to drop those who are not your enemies.
But, then, you can have an RP reason for that.
On the other side, I wonder if LSF would really destroy a neutral Junker ship because of a few Bounty Hunters.
But then again, Bounty Hunters are their friends.
It says clearly in BHG infocard that they are friends with House Police factions.
Well, LSF has been a Liberty Police for a long time, it seems.
And if he scans some irrelevant Junker ships, then he is still RP-ing as a Police a bit, even though we have a LPI.
Anyway, i can't take sides in this one, because i really believe you both done wrong.
You Juan for having those Bounty Hunters in your hold, and him for asking them to be dropped (but not for the same reasons as you do, i simply believe that LSF has no business in scanning people for contraband, LPI should do that.)
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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:I'm sorry ? What ? You are a pirate. The security forces can demand exactly what they like, its their space.
Really? How does that make the LSF any different than the pirates? If the LSF can demand any cargo at any time, I see no difference. I thought this was supposed to be a RP (that's Role-Play) server. LSF = Good guys. In case you forgot, good guys aren't supposed to steal.
Quote:And why is it a problem to you ?
Maybe Looter thinks its a problem, because he doesn't like power-hungry despots (LSF, not you). I don't in-game or real life.
Quote:If this is going where I think it is, I will lock it now, and save the time ...
Hoodlum
Players have a right to know if the LSF is demanding BHG pilots and whether or not that is legal or OORP.
are the LSFs actions legitimate? yes .... is it just? up to the situation, but does it matter?
if the LSF wants your BHG pilots, you drop them, period. if the rheinland military places a mercenary ban over their space, there it is. its the lawfuls making the law. if you do not like it, you can: fight for your freedom or leave the space.
does their roleplay position allow such an action? definitely. if there had been other ways than shooting - ... other ways would have been more appropriate - like a little fine and handed over pilots. but if someone is cruising away after being told to stop. i think any police force is totally in their rights to shoot that one at least untill he stops - one way or another.
the LSF would stop a Bounty hunter, too if he had a vast amount of civilian pilots - or ... cryer or ageira or anything in his hold - and would ask the hunter to release them. when the BHG pilots turned and cruised away - i would expect the lsf to make him drop the pilots .. if necessary shoot enough holes into the ship so they can be tracktored out.
' Wrote:Juan you were killing lawful NPC's in front of Manhattan, rather than just engage you (which I could have done as you were killing lawfuls in front of me) I demanded the release of the Bounty Hunters in your hold. You attempted to cruise off I attacked you, another player in a Liberty GB came over and dealt far more damage to you than I did. You exploded to the death message killed by an NPC.
I was defending myself from an attack by an enemy faction -- the BHG. Are you saying that I don't have the right to defend myself?
Quote:After this you PM me mostly in CAPS (becasue if you have a point it's alot clearer in capitals) calling me a terroist and threatening me with a sanction.
I used ALL CAPS TEXT, because I was angry. I thought that would help convey that emotion. I told you that I would file a sanction report, as I have done.
Quote:Since when does your rep screen make you immune to the law or server rules?
Name one server rule that I've broken.
Quote:I have killed so many Outcasts and allies that I am now white with Xenos, does this mean I should now go dock on Ouray?
No, unless you want a sanction from Hoodlum, since that is OORP for an LSF character.
Quote:I make a demand, you cruise off! Thats enough to get you killed in itself never mind killing lawful NPC's in full view of me. Next time any LSF, SA or LPI stop and make a demand of you in Liberty you do not move until they release you.
Spear
You made what I consider an ILLEGAL demand. I tried to discuss it with you, but you decided to kill me instead. As for killing "lawful" NPCs (I consider BHG thieves, not lawfuls) -- you killed two or three bounty hunters when you destroyed my ship. I had 37 BHG pilots on board when I reached Manhattan, but you only recovered 36 out of the 39-40 that there should have been.
Quote:So to sum up so far, I am a pirate, terroist, despot and a thief..
"(I consider BHG thieves, not lawfuls)" <-- this might be the problem. BHGs are lawful. no discussion about that, they just are. your char might not consider them lawful, but that does not make them unlawful.
' Wrote:The only reason why I posted it here was because I was aksed to do so by =LSF=Liquid himself.
That's true.
Edit: I should expand on that, Looter was commentating on my RP in system chat. I suggested he take it to the forum as OORP discussions in system chat do nothing for RP.
@ Juan: You attempted to run from the law, you got shot. End of story.
' Wrote:Depends where.
In Serbia, he can demand your underwear if he likes, and there's nothing you can do about it.
If the police want my underwear, they'll have to remove it from my cold, rotting corpse.:crazy:
Quote:Anyway, there are 2 problems here.
LSF isn't hostile to Junkers.
Junkers aren't hostile to BHG.
So, why did you have Bounty Hunters in your hold, is the first question.
Even worse, why would you refuse to drop those who are not your enemies.
But, then, you can have an RP reason for that.
Juan_Williams has a Junkers affiliation/tag, but Smuggler ID. As far as I know, that combination doesn't require that I match the Junkers reputation board. I got tired of BHG scum trying to rob me of the criminal pilots that I had captured, so I started defending myself from BHG thieves. Unlike full-fledged Junkers (i.e. tag + ID), I'm friendly with many corporate and government factions.
Quote:On the other side, I wonder if LSF would really destroy a neutral Junker ship because of a few Bounty Hunters.
But then again, Bounty Hunters are their friends.
It says clearly in BHG infocard that they are friends with House Police factions.
Well, LSF has been a Liberty Police for a long time, it seems.
And if he scans some irrelevant Junker ships, then he is still RP-ing as a Police a bit, even though we have a LPI.
That is a good question. Why are the LSF acting like a police force? The LSF should be patrolling the same areas that the LSF NPCs do... Oops, that would be nowhere!:lol:
Quote:Anyway, i can't take sides in this one, because i really believe you both done wrong.
You Juan for having those Bounty Hunters in your hold, and him for asking them to be dropped (but not for the same reasons as you do, i simply believe that LSF has no business in scanning people for contraband, LPI should do that.)
I said above why the BHG pilots were in my cargo hold. I still don't think that he had the right to demand my BHG pilots.
EDIT:
' Wrote:"(I consider BHG thieves, not lawfuls)" <-- this might be the problem. BHGs are lawful. no discussion about that, they just are. your char might not consider them lawful, but that does not make them unlawful.
Really? If BHG is lawful, then why do KNF NPCs regularly attack Deshima Station in Shikoku?