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Altejago · (This post was last modified: 09-21-2012, 06:53 AM by Altejago.)

' Wrote:OK seeing as from what I have seen of Alts posts hes just a rager, Ill ignore his silly threats, but Widow is worth replying to:

But you did anyway, thanks for the invite.

Mollies are to hunt our targets outside of Liberty, you know, where we can't get them. That's why we hired you.

Seeing as you're unable to do that, we can quite happily take you off our bounty board. I have no qualms with that. Afterall, the Mollies haven't done us any favours of late but instead supply our enemies with weapons.

And I'll reply in my own usual way when I find muppets exploiting the systems in place. We don't bug you with your role play, nor do we criticize it. Who are you to judge what we do when it works in favour of everyone else?

Last but not least, I'll respond in any way I want, and seeing as it is you we're talking too I'm happy enough to treat you the way I do. Never been a fan of yours ever since you started and system wall ran laughing. You're the product of your own actions mate.

Widow · 09-21-2012, 07:05 AM,

' Wrote:I accept that The LN and LR may not want to shoot each other, thats fine, thats your own RP. Im all for freedom of RP. But right in front of Manhatten in front of a bunch of witnesses?

Why not? RP doesn't have to happen behind the dumpster in the back alley, it is a RP server after all.

Its no worse then people who are at war with Liberty flying past and dumping toxic waste in Manhattan's orbit infront of the [LN]/LNS/whoever.

' Wrote:You want freedm of RP, but do you want the consequences? Whats the LN going to say to his superiors? I let that rogue fly away because I have a crush on her? Whats the Rogue going to say to the many unlawful witnesses? I was thinking about joining hi- BLAM.

If any of the Rogues report it to Moka, then so be it, Pita will deal with the consequences as they arise. So far, no one has reported it to Moka, so I don't need to worry about it.

' Wrote:Anyway, I arrived looking to hunt LN for the Rogues, I find one, and the Rogue tells me not to shoot it. You might notice that I DIDNT shoot it, even though I wanted to, because you asked me not to. That doesnt mean I agree with you, but I did it anyway. You called me trigger happy, unwilling to let you finish and uncool. I was a merc for hire who only got paid if he killed, of course I would be trigger happy! I was also an ally of the Rogues, of course I wouldnt want some LN guy seducing a rogue into turning traitor! Yet I still didnt attack because you asked me not to.

The PMs came across as basically "finish talking, I want to kill him now". Whether they were meant or not doesn't really matter, that's what it sounded like.

You want to kill him, Sweet as, thats no worries normally. BUT. I was there first, LR- run the show as far as pirates go in Liberty, and I said no. That should be the end of - regardless of whether you're on the bounty board or not.

If you were worried about them turning Pita into a traitor, then why not RP it. If there was RP before shooting him, I wouldn't have a problem at all. Not a worry in the world. But there wasn't. So that point really is null and void.

As for the Mollys being allied with the Rogues, there are some hostilities starting to come out on the Rogues side, namely you supplying HF with ships/guns. Which are used to shoot us. But thats' a story for another time and place.

' Wrote:Are you a person who believes that shooting is not part of roleplay?

Nope, Im a person who believes talking is part of roleplay, and if shooting results, so be it.
Are you one of those who believes talking is not part of RP?

Both can't exist without each other, I get that, but sometimes its nice to not get ganked whilst flying an arrow.

' Wrote:Both of them DID give reasons for the others to shoot them. Surely you havnt forgotten that LR and LN are ENEMIES? You pay people (me) to kill them, thats how much you want them dead, you cant even do it fast enough yourself. They in turn bounty you, and its the LAW that the LN must arrest or kill the Rogue. Sure you guys may have had RP reasons running counter to this, but how did it look to everyone else?

Again, if it is taken up with Moka, pita will deal with the consequences. It could have looked bad to everyone else, but if everyone else wanted to take the time to figure out what was going on, instead of assuming it was all OORP, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

~~Hone~~ · (This post was last modified: 09-21-2012, 07:18 AM by Hone.)

You got the PMs exactly right, but what is wrong with that? As I said, Im a hired gun who wants to kill o he can get paid. I dont know why you said there was no RP prior. I asked what was going on several times, why you werent fighting? You basically ignored me.

As I said, I didnt report it INRP because the rogs have been ignoring my INRP messages, and I expected this to be the same. I guess based on Alts posts I have seen the reason.

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Widow · 09-21-2012, 07:18 AM,

I had multiple people PMing, group messaging and chatting in local to me, must have missed them.

Edit: And feel free to post to the Rogues about it, there are a variety of reasons why messages get ignored, with the LR- getting sick of the Mollies with them giving people we dont like/that dont like us our tech, because of that we generally will ignore them, as inRP we don't really care about what you guys have to say.

~~Hone~~ · (This post was last modified: 09-21-2012, 07:23 AM by Hone.)

Well I appreciate your ability to have a conversation like a proper human being anyway, thankyou.

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Manticore · 09-21-2012, 07:50 AM,

' Wrote:I accept that The LN and LR may not want to shoot each other, thats fine, thats your own RP. Im all for freedom of RP. But right in front of Manhatten in front of a bunch of witnesses? You want freedm of RP, but do you want the consequences? Whats the LN going to say to his superiors? I let that rogue fly away because I have a crush on her? Whats the Rogue going to say to the many unlawful witnesses? I was thinking about joining hi- BLAM.

I feel the need to comment on this, since it regards my character. Hi. I'm the [LN] you so desperately wanted to bluemsg.

As Widow said, this is an in-depth, ongoing RP that you stumbled into the middle of. In fact, when we initially met at Manhattan, the situation was very tense. I nearly went after her with intent to apprehend. However, as the RP developed, the situation cooled down, and ships from both sides who wanted to start a fight were talked down.

I should also note that a member of LN high command, LolRawr, was also present for the majority of the encounter on her LN character. My character's superiors are very much aware of the situation and I had her support for not engaging Pita that night.

So yes, of course we are aware of the potential consequences of this interaction, both IC and OOC. Sure, there was nothing in the rules stopping someone such as yourself from coming in there, dropping an engagement message, and opening up (which is essentially what you did the second time) but I'd like to think that there could exist an OOC sense of awareness and respect for players who are obviously involved in an RP interaction. Perhaps in the future you could spend some time trying to learn about what was actually going on and find a way to involve your character. Again, nobody says you have to, but it's the kind of mutual respect that a good community is built upon.

Edit: As an aside, I just want to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed my RP interactions with all of the LR- ships I've run across recently. I'm thrilled that you guys are so open to participating in my little storyline.

Tigger · 09-21-2012, 08:17 AM,

Hone:

As a merc working the LR contract, if they say not to shoot someone then you don't shoot them, period. They are the employer, they might have a reason that X ship of a bountied faction isn't to be executed at that particular time. While you fly the WG you're representing the Mollys and the Wild Geese and will behave accordingly.

The issue you brought up has been answered, repeatedly and is closed.

Don't like it? No problem, untag your WG and apply to the LR board as an individual.

Alte

I am the Molly leader. If you have an issue with one of my pilots or my policies you come to me, you don't nitpick it with my pilots.

As for hiring Mollys (yes, it's Mollys not Mollies, blame Microsoft for the name but that's the way they put into the game so please use it correctly) to shoot your targets outside of Liberty, what chances are there of finding LN in Dublin any time soon? I'm sorry but if you want to restrict the Wild Geese to outside of Liberty space, you need to specify that in the bounty board and give a reason why. Reavers and other mercenaries execute bounties on the LR BB within Liberty and there is no reason for the WG to be disallowed from doing the same.

As for tech issues, the tech grants were in 4.85 and LR responded by giving a much large tech grant to our own enemies, so all I can say about that are Pot? Kettle? Black? Hmmm. Seriously, we've talked numerous times on skype and according to you the tech issue was long ago settled. Why you wish to bring it up now I have no idea but if you have that much concern, then talk to me. If you want to start a war over crap that's a year old, that's entirely up to you but I expect to receive notification of it and not via an LR feedback thread to a faction pilot who isn't even in the HC.

Dane Summers · 09-21-2012, 09:03 AM,

I feel the need to say this:

RP between enemies that doesn't result in fighting, and instead is a situation that results in kudos - is not something to question or criticize - its one of those magical moments that disco so lacks these days...

So, in short...

The Liberty Rogues · 09-21-2012, 09:07 AM,

Tigger,

I need you to understand that we gave out weapons to your enemies because of your doing so to ours. So you can call me black, but I can assure you I am white through out. This was settled, we are pointing out that we don't intend to repair relations with the official Molly group due to this fact alone.

Molly's in Liberty shooting our targets is one thing, I would have expected to Molly's as an official faction to respect their ZoI and not become a generic pvp faction as Hone clearly demonstrates on your behalf. We don't don't encroach on your turf, why would you come to Liberty and be a royal pain in my ass for the sake of Hone's meta-gaming intentions? I won't stand for it and I will be aggressive about it. Last time I was nice to anyone about my faction issues I ended up being trodden on. If you examine my bounty board carefully, you will see that I have not restricted the perimeters of our bounty board. So long you aren't in Connecticut, you'll be paid. It is the point of our bounty board for us to hire out of towners to shoot the stuff we can't. We can quite happily shoot who we want ourselves. And as for a matter of fact, your WG are only coming to Lib to attack and kill Liberty Lawfuls, and for no other reason.

So, I will nit-pick and point out the facts when Molly's hit at us about crap that doesn't involve them.

We clear now?

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Tigger · 09-21-2012, 09:21 AM,

Not quite clear about one thing Alte. An [M]- tagged Molly with Molly ID pirating in Liberty space is out of ZOI certainly. One traveling through on a smuggling run isn't, as I'm sure you are already aware.

Now, a WG tagged Molly with a Freelancer ID isn't a pirate but a mercenary. Being in Liberty or anywhere else is fully within the ZOI. The Wild Geese mercenary wing of the Mollys was part of the original bid for official faction, was part of the faction role play before the [M]- became official, so it's nothing new.

Therefore, a WG merc is fully within ZOI to be hunting within Liberty space or anywhere else.

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