DW, USS, Independent Lawfuls

[Jinx]

@le chifre: andromeda ( gene rodenbery ) - its sort of only one guy and a battleship - and yes, its a comedy haha

edit: another one .... Lexx, the dark zone ( unless you count a love slave and a notoriously depressed undead a crew.

douglas adams guide to the galaxy: there are plenty of battleships operated only by one guy or something similar - but then.... you cannot take a book serious that answers to the sense of life with: 49:P

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[Malaclypse 666]

douglas adams guide to the galaxy: there are plenty of battleships operated only by one guy or something similar - but then.... you cannot take a book serious that answers to the sense of life with: 49:P

Try 42, Jinx.

And I won't respond further here because it's been done a thousand times before.

I really don't care anymore.

or, Five Tons of Flax.

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[Dieter Schprokets]

I have a VERY extreme opinion on this matter.

BH ID should not get you a BB. DE and below only I think.

Went to NY the other night and saw a BH Capwhore fleet. It was a wonder to behold. 5 or 6 of them on, only one in a bomber. Rest were in Destroyers, or larger.

I know of no military faction with comparable firepower. Its just retarded.

Does "Dog the Bounty Hunter" own the USS New Jersey? No.

IMHO:

In Short Term: Ask BH Factions/Clans to self restrict such that only 1 out of every 4 (or so) members in a BH Faction or Clan (my term for unofficial faction) on at any time are in DE or larger.

In Long Term : Change rules in next mod version, BH's restricted to DE and below. Give the larger BH caps to some other npc MILITARY factions, don't care who.

Even implement the DE or below rule NOW.

Its insane. For instance, even fighting as RM, we had an even fight going, me and Gronath in Bombers against an enemy GB, and a BH BC shows up and "helps" us. Yay. Fun. Enemy was dead in 5 seconds after numbnuts showed up.

Stop it now, Admins. PLEASE.

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[MrCynical]

I can see your point about BHs. I see plenty of BHs in destroyers - the smallest I think I have ever seen (in Liberty space anyway) was an Orca gunboat. It's a bit OORP as well - people with the money to buy a capital-class ship independent of state assistance (from the house military faction or whatever) wouldn't be taking million-credit bounty contracts anyway.

As far as the house lawfuls go, if you don't want the Liberty Navy (or whatever) stomping on you then don't pirate in Liberty!

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No longer active online due to a dwindling amount of non-PvP (trading, pirating, mining, etc.) fun in the new version.

[bluntpencil2001]

I have a VERY extreme opinion on this matter.

BH ID should not get you a BB. DE and below only I think.

Went to NY the other night and saw a BH Capwhore fleet. It was a wonder to behold. 5 or 6 of them on, only one in a bomber. Rest were in Destroyers, or larger.

I know of no military faction with comparable firepower. Its just retarded.

Does "Dog the Bounty Hunter" own the USS New Jersey? No.

IMHO:

In Short Term: Ask BH Factions/Clans to self restrict such that only 1 out of every 4 (or so) members in a BH Faction or Clan (my term for unofficial faction) on at any time are in DE or larger.

In Long Term : Change rules in next mod version, BH's restricted to DE and below. Give the larger BH caps to some other npc MILITARY factions, don't care who.

Even implement the DE or below rule NOW.

Its insane. For instance, even fighting as RM, we had an even fight going, me and Gronath in Bombers against an enemy GB, and a BH BC shows up and "helps" us. Yay. Fun. Enemy was dead in 5 seconds after numbnuts showed up.

Stop it now, Admins. PLEASE.

Note that this gentleman runs a Mercenary faction which does things properly.;)

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[Lohingren]

well i tend to find this subject to be useless as jinx said earlier most people start off big and work themselves down, its usually the mind set of a new player. you see this big shiny battleship and your like cooooooooool i want one.

im pretty sure most people will get rid of them big ships at some point but unfotunentely that is not case for some people who do just wanna fly a big ship and 'Pwnz0r' people.

also about them being the Bounty Hunters Guild in RP and RL bounty hunters may be in a guild but they usually only hunt in small packs. 4-5 men tops in fighters/gb's. now i personally dont care about them packing together to kill they're enemy, but the fact of the matter is. its still damn unsportmanlike to go slap someone with a BC and in most cases a BHGBS. usually im traveling with a group of bombers if we going near bounty hunter territory so they usually dont bother me or any of us to much, but unfortunentely not everyone is in a faction and is being gang banged by lotsa cap ships.

as for implementing rules against it, id say that is a lost cause people its already been asked to limit them in some kind of way, even i suggested it 2 months ago. it was a good descussion and flame free one also. but it is just to hard to enforce such a rule.

EDIT: i missed out a point in my 3rd point, put it this way BHG hunt people for money. now that in my opinion says they want to hunt by themselves to get as much money as possible, so unless your going against outstanding odds it would just be wrong to team up and go after a single target. less money in the end i dont think they would want that.

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[Dieter Schprokets]

Thanks Blunt.:)

But there was a time when [M] was not innocent of capwhoring. And what happened?

1) An Admin asked us to self-restrict, and we did.

2) New rules about Merc ID came out, allowing only GB or smaller ships, and that was that.

I'm suggesting the same thing for BH ID, something like:

1) A BH clan/faction can have only ONE Cruiser or BC or BB as a base, and

2) DE and smaller for everyone else, and preferably a mix of classes.

Independent BH's would then be restricted to DE and smaller, and that IS easily enforceable.

But the existing BH heavy capital ships would need to be used in some other way.

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[Malaclypse 666]

I just find it amusing that no one foresaw this problem when all these Caps just "had to be" placed in the mod to begin with.

The BHGBS.. the "Togo".

Hell, yeah, let's make sure the Gaians get a dready in the next version, shall we?

For a universe that's supposed to follow a strict "Freelancerish" motif , it makes absolutely no sense to have BHG Cruisers and Battlewagons out there to tempt folk in the first place.

Oops, so much for "I don't care any more"...

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[chopper]

I just find it amusing that no one foresaw this problem when all these Caps just "had to be" placed in the mod to begin with.

The BHGBS.. the "Togo".

Hell, yeah, let's make sure the Gaians get a dready in the next version, shall we?

For a universe that's supposed to follow a strict "Freelancerish" motif , it makes absolutely no sense to have BHG Cruisers and Battlewagons out there to tempt folk in the first place.

Oops, so much for "I don't care any more"...

Well said, that is the point.
By adding more and more battleships, you are not actually helping.
Bounty Hunters have no reason for owning a Battleship, except fighting The Order and Nomads in Omicrons.
Dragons have no reason and no means for owning a Battleship.
Hackers have no reason for owning a Battleship whatsoever.

Outcasts, Corsairs, Order and Houses are justified. Everything else is nonsense.
Even Zoners can be justified, but only with a Jugger. To keep the nasty Corsairs out of Theta.
But adding more Zoner capital ships is also nonsense.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[marauder]

tempt folk in the first place.

Isn't temptation the fun bit though?

Personally I think it all boils down to 'just because you can, it doesn't mean that you SHOULD' .

Or maybe it's that everyone wants to be the heroic battleship captain who single-handly saves his/her country from the evil enemy.

Bah, I'd rather be the evil enemy anyday, much more fun.

You get loads of perks too, like knowing that your life insurance will be paid out (to someone), heroes lining up to get shot/maimed etc, plenty of eye-candy who only like you cosyour in power/charge, the chance to give evil laughs whenever you feel the need etc.

EDIT:

Yeah,and then how many people will NOT be RPing as an outcast, corsair, order, house pilot?

Bugger all if any.