Tyler is right. And sometimes it's not just about timezones but also about if the players that often fly as order have the time to log as order when nomads are around.
Or do you think we have some sort of quick response unit, watching 24/7 player list and log order as soon as nomads enter omicron zeta?
(03-24-2013, 01:11 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: What point is that? I have yet to see more than 2 orders online are you stuck or something? im argueing about the order activity unless aerelm jumps in and steals the rest of my post.
You're the one who fails to see the point. The Order is not active enough, play Order. In roleplay and out, that's no Zoner business. What you're doing here is asking for things to go exactly your way, you won't accept no for an answer and you insult everyone who disagrees. You can't always get what you want. Sure, you can try, but you also have to be able of accepting rejection. Your idea makes no sense whatsoever. As a matter of fact, not only will it not add anything to the server, but it will be detrimental. If Order is not dead now, it sure will be if we do things your way.
(03-24-2013, 01:14 PM)Snoopyman Wrote: What i am trying to say is that it is stupid for people just to attack free will with nothing being said. You could be sitting still one second and then a nomad bomber comes and takes your shields down and snacs you before you even get a chance to move.
I understand what you're saying. Being engaged silently is generally annoying. But two points. 1. Space is dangerous, don't sit still around hostiles. 2. Asking for rules against silent engagement is fine by me, but don't use roleplay as an excuse. Because forcing people to talk to those they intend to shoot is, generally, completely out of roleplay.
(03-24-2013, 01:20 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Ah, an Omicron rant!
In my opinion, there is an universal truth about Nomad rp: "The less, the better".
Few players are capable of doing the Nomad rp.
The majority (myself included) better stay away from: "*** bleeeb // blub *** stars *** light (!) poor rp attempts.
So, nothing is wrong with silently engaging Nomads.
They create a more realistic background than the "talking" Nomad.
That Zoners get into the crossfire is just what should happen. That's why they have heavy toys. And what is difficult about doing "Defending myself/ship X/Station Y/Humanity against the Nomad threat" rp? You'll always find something to defend because Nommies attack everything.
Yes but argueably you can't "really" engage a nomad if you just happend to see him ; yet you have seen him before shooting FP for an example, so you can't have like a "payback" sorta thing.
Oops... Rest of your post went for a walk outside. I ran into them on their way out and they told me they just needed some fresh air to calm down. Maybe you could consider doing the same. ~ae
(03-24-2013, 01:11 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: What point is that? I have yet to see more than 2 orders online are you stuck or something? im argueing about the order activity unless aerelm jumps in and steals the rest of my post.
You're the one who fails to see the point. The Order is not active enough, play Order. In roleplay and out, that's no Zoner business. What you're doing here is asking for things to go exactly your way, you won't accept no for an answer and you insult everyone who disagrees. You can't always get what you want. Sure, you can try, but you also have to be able of accepting rejection. Your idea makes no sense whatsoever. As a matter of fact, not only will it not add anything to the server, but it will be detrimental. If Order is not dead now, it sure will be if we do things your way.
(03-24-2013, 01:14 PM)Snoopyman Wrote: What i am trying to say is that it is stupid for people just to attack free will with nothing being said. You could be sitting still one second and then a nomad bomber comes and takes your shields down and snacs you before you even get a chance to move.
I understand what you're saying. Being engaged silently is generally annoying. But two points. 1. Space is dangerous, don't sit still around hostiles. 2. Asking for rules against silent engagement is fine by me, but don't use roleplay as an excuse. Because forcing people to talk to those they intend to shoot is, generally, completely out of roleplay.
Ow I have insulted someone ? really, maybe in your own little realm that is, and so far i counted 5 people with zoner prejudices.
Be real for your own sake, Order is not active enough, Zoners ARE ; If order does not change, Zoners should change - Is it that hard to understand? And If I use a char its an order char so don't lecture me.
(03-24-2013, 01:26 PM)Mercarryn Wrote: Tyler is right. And sometimes it's not just about timezones but also about if the players that often fly as order have the time to log as order when nomads are around.
Or do you think we have some sort of quick response unit, watching 24/7 player list and log order as soon as nomads enter omicron zeta?
Hey thats the whole.. umm System monitor thing, you know heh - if someone sees a fleet of hessians in the omegas, F1 for a RM char ;]..My point is, Timezones are a factor but it doesn't seem to match the nomad activity times ; btw.. whats with 141 ;p aren't you tired shipping stuff? ;'
(03-24-2013, 01:24 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I tend to choose my words carefuly and I dont mean to offend anyone, yet I read and I respect other people's opinions but Im not looking for comments on "Ow zoners again, or "want to shoot? be Order" - I'm looking for a debate, and normal discussion and not just a post-count raffle.
Anyway, I'm working from home for the last two weeks so I do hang out alot, esp at nights ( well thats about 10 in the morning for the americas )
so I already stated that this is not an idea or an opinion, its just a matter of observation thats all.
What you deem carefully seems in my eyes close to insulting someone, granted, I can't talk for those people, seeing as everyone might have different opinions on this matter, yet, personally I don't that much carefully chosen words.
And as far as I've read I've seen also people willing to debate this, people who come up with arguments, some of 'em correct, some not, yet, instead of going on in what I think is a heading to rage-mode by you (you know the sandwich rule? If you get frustrated by someone's comment or so, go make a sandwich, eat it and then come back).
And you haven't replied to my comment regarding that people need a follower which perhaps you should become? Join or create an Order faction and get people to log and defend the rest of the universe from the Alien threat!
(03-24-2013, 01:24 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I tend to choose my words carefuly and I dont mean to offend anyone, yet I read and I respect other people's opinions but Im not looking for comments on "Ow zoners again, or "want to shoot? be Order" - I'm looking for a debate, and normal discussion and not just a post-count raffle.
Anyway, I'm working from home for the last two weeks so I do hang out alot, esp at nights ( well thats about 10 in the morning for the americas )
so I already stated that this is not an idea or an opinion, its just a matter of observation thats all.
What you deem carefully seems in my eyes close to insulting someone, granted, I can't talk for those people, seeing as everyone might have different opinions on this matter, yet, personally I don't that much carefully chosen words.
And as far as I've read I've seen also people willing to debate this, people who come up with arguments, some of 'em correct, some not, yet, instead of going on in what I think is a heading to rage-mode by you (you know the sandwich rule? If you get frustrated by someone's comment or so, go make a sandwich, eat it and then come back).
And you haven't replied to my comment regarding that people need a follower which perhaps you should become? Join or create an Order faction and get people to log and defend the rest of the universe from the Alien threat!
Yeah I realize some people may choose to be offended but if I can't express my honest opinion then whats the deal u know ;].
I shoulda pointed that out earlier, but ill say it again, i dont mean to offend anyone gents.
Still, theres a difference .. its a normal discussion not an attack on certian aspects of the subject, people focus here on something and attack it. Now, most of 'em did comment and yes I must agree with a lot of them ; the whole idea of this thread is to make people aware and get things moving.I don't mind about the zoners, I only pick them up because they seemed to be the most active faction there. I do fly Order chars, but I don't have the mentality to lead right now
Let's keep it civil, gents. Shall we? Tyler raises a good point. There's no need for borderline passive-aggressive insults when you can say the same thing, but in a polite tone.
Let's continue without as much off-topic or flame-bait posts, so hopefully something good would come out of this thread.
So in roleplay two factions fight Nomads actively: Order and Core. Each for their own reasons. Pick any or make characters at both sides and shoot Nomads. Zoners are not going to supersede any other faction in their roles, including Order. Want to see more Order? Help their activity by participating. That's it. You've mixed up statistical player activity with faction roles, but that's two distinctly different areas. I kinda expect you'll be insulting me once again (not that I care really, it's mildly amusing) and digging yourself even further in this thread (which is even more entertaining).
(03-24-2013, 01:39 PM)aerelm Wrote: Let's continue without as much off-topic or flame-bait posts, so hopefully something good would come out of this thread.
(03-24-2013, 01:40 PM)Treewyrm Wrote: So in roleplay two factions fight Nomads actively: Order and Core. Each for their own reasons. Pick any or make characters at both sides and shoot Nomads. Zoners are not going to supersede any other faction in their roles, including Order. Want to see more Order? Help their activity by participating. That's it. You've mixed up statistical player activity with faction roles, but that's two distinctly different areas. I kinda expect you'll be insulting me once again (not that I care really, it's mildly amusing) and digging yourself even further in this thread.
Yeah it seems that the admins always come here whenever you post something, still its well within the good taste and though you may have a different opinion it is still valid and accepted and I have no problem with that.
However, i've noticed something about these people here, alot of them have a bad feeling about the zoners ( and really who can blame them ) - but keeping an open mind is always a good idea.
I have on both of them really but its just so happens that we've had 20 swarms or whatnot on a 1 Order pilot 1 sair and 1 core ( that was 14 hours ago with 178 players online ). - Surley someting is wrong here.
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