DW, USS, Independent Lawfuls

[X-Lancer]

It is a "problem" that happens both ways. LH are capwhored every day... but Manhattan has seen quite a few "sieges" with BS, 2 Destr and a GB in orbit.

60% of new people just trade to get a big ship. The remaining 40% try fighters.. most get pwned by experienced fighters pretty fast. So 90% of them switch to bigger ships.

Only good thing is that when they get bored some of them join official factions.. who do not allow them to fly big ships... so they learn to like fighters.



Exactly. I always hope that those cap users find out.. that if a fighter decides not to get killed he will simply not get killed. How much fun is it to fly the capship then? I would have been bored to death.

you don't know how much fun flying a Battleship. i find that when the Battleship join in to battle is very important, and is very fun to destroy enemy's battleship when you have weaker armour than enemy's battleship..and yea...i basicly fly my Battleship all day..my fighter/bomber just use for fun, not usually bring it to a fight, my gunboat just use for pirating, my battlecruiser just use for defence when enemy cap attack.

[chopper]

Now, one thing i'd like to add in this thread, just to show another point of view.

I logged in NY today. Undocked from Manhatan.
And what do i see in my screen?
An Outcast Battleship. ID? Rogue ID. Clan tag? [LR] clan tag.
Okay.
I look a little better, and there's another [LR] guy next to him, in an Outcast destroyer.
Okay.
Battleship and Destroyer are camping for 10-15 minutes in front of Manhatan, until lawful forces gathered.
Battleship gets damaged really bad, and escapes.
Destroyers stays. And, what happens?
Another [LR] Destroyer comes over, to take shift from a BS i guess.
Now, we fight them, and they both die, but that's not the point.

My point is.
Rogue base in NY is a Rogue Destroyer.
So, how can someone explain me 3 damn rogue capital ships attacking Manhatan?
What the hell?
Their bases are of that size! Why in the earth's name would they risk that expensive equipment to attack Manhatan?
It's not their stile to attack Manhatan at all, and even less to attack it with a damn FLEET!
Rogues and Mollies, please, reconsider your actions in RP.
You are not some rich pirates that can actually fight off the navy in straight combat.
You are hit and run factions, with well hidden bases, trying to do a bit by bit damage.
Not to conquer Manhatan every single day damnit.
If you really want those Battleships and Destroyers, please be Outcasts.
I have nothing against 10 capital ships attacking me, if it fits their RP to have those capital ships.
But, I just can't believe you guys are flying around NY in Destroyers and Battleships as Rogues.
It's nonsense, it really really is.
Especially in front of Liberty capital planet.
I remember you guys had a Destroyer for a Flagship, and all other ships were smaller.
What happened now? Why do you fly mainly Destroyers and Battleships?
That's my first rant.

Second one is constant OOC-ing in System chat.
You accused everyone in that battle for something, except Spear.
You even accused me for re-engaging (we settled it in PM's).
You said I re-engaged, almost died, started cruise (shield running) and then came back and fought.
And what actually happened was, you stripped my shield, i thrusted away to safe distance (1.5k) and when i noticed you stopped targeting me, i came back.
All in thrust engines.
So, my second point is.
Please, don't accuse people for anything in System chat.
Even if you are right, don't do that. Take SS, report, do whatever you want.
PM the guy and settle. But what you did out there today is outrageous.
I am aware there were people who re-engaged, but what they did is nothing compared to you guys.
Public accusations of that type are really out of the line, especially if they are false.

I'm so pissed off right now that i'l be taking a hell of a long brake.

My point in this thread is, lawful forces aren't the only ones doing things you described in the original post.
Pirates do it as well.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[globalplayer-svk]

chopper,only one little question. how long stay the pirates alive when come with fighters? how much lawfull cap ships was in front of mannhatan? and i will not say you are not right, i will only say how can rogues try to play with fighters/bombers when they are faced with so many cap ships?
this is never ending story. you use cap ships,you enemy come with cap ships,then you bring more cap ships,and enemy to same and it will never end.and not only in liebrty,everywhere is that the same.when you have no power to beat enemy,you come with stronger ship.the same enemy make and ......

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[Epholl]

What about a BHG BS camping a Xeno base, killing everything that undocks or comes into its sight... After it kills everything, It simply says: You are dead, leave system. Its a rule.

After I hide behind the base and do not let the BS kill me... I am called a chicken... At lease I could IC call BHGs dumb (and other nice "names") that they need a BS to kill 2 fighters...

Yeah.. And there was a BC too...but it got owned by two of us...

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[mjolnir]

Well...a lot of people simply don't know how to fly bombers against capships. They try once or twice.. get killed.. and switch to a GB or bigger. Mostly they almost don't evade fire at all and go trough their bats/bots really fast.


I'm seriously thinking about starting free anti-cap bomber lessons in Connecticut.

I will only need some target to practice on/with.... Global do you volunteer? Goliath would be also nice.. if you can't hit that with a supernova.. you are doomed.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Epholl]

We have many capships camping Ouray... Here you go your volunteers

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[chopper]

Global, how do you think LH are managing?
They are a perfect example. Max RP-ing.
It is supposed to be like that, remember?
Lawful forces - Good guys, defending planets, population etc etc.
Manhatan is supposed to be defended with all means.
It is a House, a Liberty House, most powerful navy it has.
Do you think they would leave their Main planet undefended?

It is nonsense for Rogues to attack Manhatan at all.
In RP it is a suicide mission.
Remember SP and rogues attacking you (when you are delivering Ashcroft) near Fort Bush?
King says something like : "They must be very desperate to attack this close to Fort Bush".
Now, compare Fort Bush and Manhatan.

As i said - Nonsense.
Especially with 3 Capital ships. I don't see Outcasts flying that many anymore, but now Rogues are rising and becoming a rich faction, with fleet and planets and all..
Riiight.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[globalplayer-svk]

mjolnir ok no problem i move globalplayer-svk (corsair dread,cap armor 7 and good antifighter loadout) to connecticut. and we can practice.

and chopper. yes, mannhatan should be guarded with all forces.but why must be always the forces from so many cap ships? (and all of them are independant.)
when i am in ny, sometime when i try to find some traders in big ships i meet someone from lsf in fighter or bomber, or two fighter,ok no problems. but always the fight end with 1-2 cruiser incoming that think is realy necesary to open fire to one fighter. so in the end 2 cruiser,2 fighter again 1 fighter.then is stop fighting and i wait until i am destroyed. maybe you answer me what is bad on that. maybe nothing and maybe that when will be liberty so full with cap ships, pirates will stop playing in liberty and what then? then will be all cap ships near mannhatan realy happy that they nothign make because liebrty is total lawful? no pirates,no criminality,nothing to do?then will be all bored and all will come somewhere else,but where in liberty cap ships?
for example,gamma. too much corsairs in cruisers,bs and you knwo what? now i can undock in my light fighter stay on orbit of gamma and i can go away.and when i come 2 hours later,my light fighter will be untouched. and it is not good. because what make from this game fun? roleplay and some action.and gamma is now dead.no enemies,nothing to make.only sometime hunt some mercs or outcast passing trough. and when someone try to start attack(as UOG) they are quickly destroyed because so many caps near crete.and that is problem. and i think NY will end the same. to many cap ships,noone will have will to play as liberty enemy and liberty stay as boring place full of police that fly from one base to other.
(and no i am not PVP whore)

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[chopper]

Well, you don't have to kill 'em all, do you?
If you are outnumbered, you run. Simple.

I wasn't ranting about these guys being too strong or anything, that's not the point here.
They were outnumbered greatly, by our small crafts.
But, that can't change the fact they were Rogues in huge capital ships in front of most powerful House main planet.
They aren't even independent. They are a organized faction.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del