Zoners

[Zen_Mechanics]

Right now however, order is not a position to make demands or requests, as they are been outnumbered with everything in the omicrons

May I ask what do you base this claim on?

im not saying they don't do what they should

they don't.

Well, yes, you say they don't do what they should.

Thing is, my opinion is that it's you who don't do what you should.

But because they are friendly with the pheonix and etc etc then they feel "compelled" to stick their noises, Got no problem with that, but taking sides ( as in, if something happends, we are with them and we have no problem of killing you ) in a zoner issue is completely oorp, and whats more, other zoner groups are also oorp'ing for supporting this.

Sure they will side them, why wouldn't they side a cooperating faction against a group of zoners making only trouble for both of them? What is so oorp about this? Did suddenly everything opposing your opinion become oorp? How so?

And in what way this stubborn resistance along with losing your allies do benefit you?

It is oorp for order to take sides in zoner issues, and I wouln't considered them as my allies, excpet lecroix who has some sense. Now you I'm tired of explaining these things because you are not there, therfore you will NOT understand, and because you seem so fond of why don't you join them? You are one of the professional complainers, I wonder why dont they give you state benefits, this is a rp server, some things make sense and some doesn't, so if you have a problem with the za, deal with it. Did admins told us to stop? NO, so quite talking about it, and this thread should be closed right about now.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Thyrzul]

It is oorp for order to take sides in zoner issues

You claimed this several times already without backing it up with reason whereas I did back up the opposite of this with reasonable arguements. You know, if you say something without a basis, or without giving them a basis, your words remain empty.

Now you I'm tired of explaining these things because you are not there, therfore you will NOT understand, and because you seem so fond of why don't you join them?

Again, a false assumption. I've not been roleplaying a zoner myself yet, but have seen and experienced many others doing so, enough to draw my own conclusion about what the general Zoner behavior is like and to see how drastically your roleplay deviates from it.

About why I don't join them, well I have my own faction too to roleplay with and around. And with a little search you can see how much time of mine it consumes.

You are one of the professional complainers, I wonder why dont they give you state benefits, this is a rp server, some things make sense and some doesn't, so if you have a problem with the za, deal with it.

Why should they give me any benefits for out of character trying to convince a narrow minded player about how much wrong he is and he should accept it instead of stubbornly denying it. That would just be ooRP, and suggesting such thing clearly shows how much you know about how things go around here.

Did admins told us to stop? NO, so quite talking about it, and this thread should be closed right about now.

I'd rather use the saying "Not yet." I don't know what the admin or developer standpoint about the ZA, so none of us know what will the future bring.

About whether this thread should be closed or not, that is also up to the admins, and the original poster of course.

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[SMGSterlin]

Tel Aviv...

Coming up with "facts", as he calls them, that he just randomly pulls out of his butt.

Trying to state what is OORP or good RP, when he completely ignores ALL lore of the Zoners, and randomly makes up RP that didn't happen to support his own bias agenda. Again, pulled from some hole in his lower back side.

Portrays his ZA faction as the biggest and best and most powerful in the whole server, when he has yet to bring a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to support this. Again, that hole between two cheeks, seems stuff doesn't stop coming out of there.


Pretty much, if Tel-Aviv says something, you can dismiss it as either unfounded, a complete lie, or very distorted/stretched to fit his own ideas and make whatever he is arguing for to look better.

Dismiss anything and everything that Tel-Aviv says, just let his Zoner-/ZA faction get a blanket bounty, let the whole server come around to blow them up. then let them die out like other groups have in the past.

Npnp.

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[Huhuh]

This thread went from Zoner capitals being silly to Tel-Aviv criticizing other factions in the omicrons in an attempt to improve his chances of being elected Zonerführer.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

Tel Aviv...

Coming up with "facts", as he calls them, that he just randomly pulls out of his butt.

Trying to state what is OORP or good RP, when he completely ignores ALL lore of the Zoners, and randomly makes up RP that didn't happen to support his own bias agenda. Again, pulled from some hole in his lower back side.

Portrays his ZA faction as the biggest and best and most powerful in the whole server, when he has yet to bring a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to support this. Again, that hole between two cheeks, seems stuff doesn't stop coming out of there.


Pretty much, if Tel-Aviv says something, you can dismiss it as either unfounded, a complete lie, or very distorted/stretched to fit his own ideas and make whatever he is arguing for to look better.

Dismiss anything and everything that Tel-Aviv says, just let his Zoner-/ZA faction get a blanket bounty, let the whole server come around to blow them up. then let them die out like other groups have in the past.

Npnp.

You want a good sign that Tel-Aviv is wrong about something? Not only did Sterlin give ME a thumbs up earlier, I also agree with what he said here, too.

Something is SERIOUSLY wrong when that happens.

Also I agree with what Ed- said earlier, too. A true zoner isn't going to sound off and piss everyone off - they're going to LIE about it. (Isn't that what I've said to these guys before? Don't TELL the Core you're allied with the Order - LIE to the Core about it like they always have done. You TELL us you're allied - then we have to shoot you.)

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[Zen_Mechanics]

well as I told you earlier it was not inrp, zoners should work in the shadows.

Edit: what on earth are you talking about? The faction is not from the lore, were simple a group with a shared interest but of course for you guys zoners are just neutral. I'm talking about the factions rp and objectives and you whine about the lore. Zoners are individuals some are friendly some are not, get that into your brain. Upper-case angry comments towards me and what I know is something that I don't like, I haven't attacked anyone here, i have stated the factions goals and objectives and you are never tired of telling me how wrong I am because its not according to the "lore" - Zoners are zoners, because zoners are zoners, zoners are zoners. Easy isn't it? What's more easy is that zoners aren't civilians, but they ARE individuals, some individuals gather up and have common interests and shared values, thats OUR case, so you can put that lore of yours where the sun doesn't shine, I am now forced to stop listen to you, or the other 13 loud mouth complainers, this is a rp server, everything is fictional, but ours is un-acceptable to you eh? because its not they way you like it, well guess what, I don't care if you like it or not. This is no longer an opinion, this is a personal attack on me, and my factions and I hope that you stop this none-sense and get some vacation.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Thyrzul]

But no Zoner is agressive... if they are, then they are not called Zoners and if you are, you are using the wrong ID and tech. Get that into your brain.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

But no Zoner is agressive... if they are, then they are not called Zoners and if you are, you are using the wrong ID and tech. Get that into your brain.

No zoner is aggressive? Now Im looking forward to hear from the devs, sureley I don't know what the hell am I talking about, what was I thinking? Wheres jinx when I need him.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Eduard]

But no Zoner is agressive... if they are, then they are not called Zoners and if you are, you are using the wrong ID and tech. Get that into your brain.

No zoner is aggressive? Now Im looking forward to hear from the devs, sureley I don't know what the hell am I talking about, what was I thinking? Zoners CAN BE aggressive.

they can but they should not. their aggresivess will be their deaths.

check my above posts and links, as well as agmen‘s for explanation

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King Eduard is the greatest

[Zen_Mechanics]

But no Zoner is agressive... if they are, then they are not called Zoners and if you are, you are using the wrong ID and tech. Get that into your brain.

No zoner is aggressive? Now Im looking forward to hear from the devs, sureley I don't know what the hell am I talking about, what was I thinking? Zoners CAN BE aggressive.

they can but they should not. their aggresivess will be their deaths.

check my above posts and links, as well as agmen‘s for explanation

Precisely, and I have told him that our little " hatred " towards other factions was not publicized inrp, same way zoners in the taus dislike outcasts but remain close to them while working in the shadows. And when I say "aggressive" i don't mean a "zonerzonerzoner" kind of aggressive, its more "defensive".
We defend, we don't attack, only if hell breaks loose. And yes, we have our fingers on the triggers because were quick to respond to attacks and violence towards us and others. So what texts us out of this phoney lore that they keep bragging about? simple, we defend and don't mess with us, because you won't hear or see us kneel before others.

Edit 2 : you mentioned in your early post that pheonix can do what they want because they are different, well then so are we, but people here don't accept it, as if we are inferior, they can and we can't, thats their philosophy.
And don't tell me that i'm lying, i have 13 pages to prove it, as people go on to abuse our roleplay and our way of life because its inconviniet to them.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.