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[Thyrzul]

I'd be pretty mute as well if I enter a system, greet everyone in it, then within seconds get threatened with war and reckless accusations.

Staying silent instead of taking the opportunity to clear the situation and to prevent further hostility? Staying silent when a threat has been made about your destruction if you stay silent? That is like shouting "Shoot me in the head!". Your logic is amusing.

As I see, the ECG have and have had their opportunities, several opportunities to deny said "reckless accusations". Apparently they seem not to deny, rather accept them, proudly, so to say, and with no little disrespect towards the Elders it seems.

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[Potter Harry]

Staying silent instead of taking the opportunity to clear the situation and to prevent further hostility? Staying silent when a threat has been made about your destruction if you stay silent? That is like shouting "Shoot me in the head!". Your logic is amusing.

As I see, the ECG have and have had their opportunities, several opportunities to deny said "reckless accusations". Apparently they seem not to deny, rather accept them, proudly, so to say, and with no little disrespect towards the Elders it seems.

I was never denying their malevolent behaviour against the Corsairs. I know they've been collaborating with the ZA, even. The point that's being addressed, though, is not about ECG, but the Elders, who disregarded the more evidently supported report of an indi/low ranked Order| member and proceeded to "roleplay troll" him without barely even addressing the subject of the report itself. They rather focused on traits belonging to the character of said indi/low ranked Order| player, while the Order| faction leader's post which had very vague evidence, went through without much critical thinking on the Elders' part.

It's basically an accusation of kissassery and bias between the Elders and Order| official faction leader, so to say. ECG's eventual motives judged from the screenshots aren't of much important; the fact they're very unclear in them is what matters, yet they're taken for granted.

[Madvillain]

First of all thanks for using the feedback thread.
Feedback good or bad is always welcome.
On retrospect I also see that this can come across as belittling McTemka, especially since there hasn't been any OORP contact between Stormrage and him about the matter (as far as I am aware).
I dó know why Anthony Wilson got this reaction.
INRP Corsair Elders have quite the feather up the but, they are the upper caste of Corsair society and do not wish to communicate with people they deem below their status , (like in this case a young Order agent).
They also have a chronic bad temper. (must be the food)
This is nothing new as you can see here and here.
About the whole ECG situation, it seems very complicated.
Their members seem to be split in two camps , it would be great if someone from ECG could clear things up a bit here.

All in all , though I have little to do with this situation on behalf of TBH my apologies , and I assure you that there aren't any oorp grudges or anything from our side.
Also , the whole thing about skype buddy stuff is nonsense.
The only (shallow) skype contact about this thing was between me and Omicron,
we were both observing the situation a bit and that's it.
Stormrage and Omicron don't even know each other afaik.

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Baila Morena | Toilet Trouble | Elder Presidente[TBH] | The Titan Combat Manual | Confession

[Thyrzul]

I was never denying their malevolent behaviour against the Corsairs. I know they've been collaborating with the ZA, even. The point that's being addressed, though, is not about ECG, but the Elders, who disregarded the more evidently supported report of an indi/low ranked Order| member and proceeded to "roleplay troll" him without barely even addressing the subject of the report itself. They rather focused on traits belonging to the character of said indi/low ranked Order| player, while the Order| faction leader's post which had very vague evidence, went through without much critical thinking on the Elders' part.

It's basically an accusation of kissassery and bias between the Elders and Order| official faction leader, so to say. ECG's eventual motives judged from the screenshots aren't of much important; the fact they're very unclear in them is what matters, yet they're taken for granted.

So you base your ooRP accusations on inRP stuff? I would understand your concerns if the words and reactions, the attitude would have been out of character, not too Corsair-ish... But lol, are you surprised that a young agent and the leader of the Order get different treatment? Seriously? Quite a pathetic attempt to scream bias all over the place, like you tend to do pretty often.

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[Yber]

Thyrzul, since when do you perform personal attacks on guys who give reasonable feedback? It's sort of lame.

The claim is completely correct here, the general attitude was bad. It's been said, now move along, TBH knows how to get stuff fixed.

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inb4 Sirius gets renamed to XTF.

[Thyrzul]

Thyrzul, since when do you perform personal attacks on guys who give reasonable feedback? It's sort of lame.

The claim is completely correct here, the general attitude was bad. It's been said, now move along, TBH knows how to get stuff fixed.

Who says it's reasonable? I really don't find it reasonable to attack other members of the community and calling them out on bias without any proof that it were really them and none of their actions fit their characters.

Yes, the general attitude was bad, but it was the attitude of the characters, not the players. Or do any of you have anything to prove this so far baseless accusation of player bias?

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[Sava]

It's basically an accusation of kissassery and bias between the Elders and Order| official faction leader, so to say. ECG's eventual motives judged from the screenshots aren't of much important; the fact they're very unclear in them is what matters, yet they're taken for granted.

There is way more kissassery between official factions than just that.
Still, don't accuse everyone in being biased.
Replying to every post within a hour or two in this sh1tstorm is just impossible, neither is a substantial consideration by all Elders.

[Potter Harry]

here and here.
About the whole ECG situation, it seems very complicated.
Their members seem to be split in two camps , it would be great if someone from ECG could clear things up a bit here.

All in all , though I have little to do with this situation on behalf of TBH my apologies , and I assure you that there aren't any oorp grudges or anything from our side.
Also , the whole thing about skype buddy stuff is nonsense.
The only (shallow) skype contact about this thing was between me and Omicron,
we were both observing the situation a bit and that's it.
Stormrage and Omicron don't even know each other afaik.

Thank you for proving me wrong. The whole "making fun of someone's character" thing corresponded a lot with the same treatment plenty of other questionable characters got, like talking humanoid dogs and such. More often than not, those insults weren't really a result from the insulter's character, but rather a roleplayification of someone's disliking for that person. I can tell, because I've done that as well.

Sorry for falsely accusing the TBH/Elders of engaging in anything that can be considered kissassery, bias or preplanned conspiracy plans and the like.

So you base your ooRP accusations on inRP stuff? I would understand your concerns if the words and reactions, the attitude would have been out of character, not too Corsair-ish... But lol, are you surprised that a young agent and the leader of the Order get different treatment? Seriously? Quite a pathetic attempt to scream bias all over the place, like you tend to do pretty often.

Read above. I base this OORP accusation on experience with similar behaviour I've practised myself, judging by the way of how roleplay was being conducted.

I really don't find it reasonable to attack other members of the community and calling them out on bias without any proof that it were really them and none of their actions fit their characters.[/color][/align]

It's called a conspiracy theory for a reason. Conspiracies aren't surface facts, and theories are thought out assumptions.

There is way more kissassery between official factions than just that.
Still, don't accuse everyone in being biased.
Replying to every post within a hour or two in this shortstop is just impossible, neither is a substantial consideration by all Elders.

I have a decent idea of what goes on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I should instantly accuse TBH/Corsair Elders of doing all of that, since there wasn't a real indication of most of it, otherwise it becomes a baseless accusation as Thyrzul implied. And I didn't take into consideration the amount of confusion the constantly changing situation in Omicron 74 brings with it, especially since noone seems to be willing to give it a rest and rather keeps throwing oil on the fire. Oops.

[Madvillain]

Well , no worries then.
In a community that is built up of little communities that don't communicate with each other (enough?) it's difficult to get a clear picture of what's going on.
Conspiracy theories can easily pop up , and it's difficult to set apart two factions conspiring from two factions working together.
I wonder where people consider the border to be between those two things.
edit: because I haven't got a clue.

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Baila Morena | Toilet Trouble | Elder Presidente[TBH] | The Titan Combat Manual | Confession

[Mercarryn]

Well, so far I had nice encounters with the TBH, even if that means, I get shot or pirated in the end.

One thing though is a bit...weird?

Flying through Omega-5 with a lvl 38 Freelancer CSV, got stopped by one of your gunboats and another sair indie. Ok, no problem that they pirate me, but then I at least think the tax should be appropriate to the player level, and not right away a "5millordai" demand so to speak. Especially when I also say that I only have 1.2 million, that TBH gunboat asked 2 million again.

That really looked strange then. If you want, I can give you screens of the chat from that encounter.