I like how people mix balance arguments with roleplay arguments. Just because Zoners could use battleships it doesn't mean it makes sense inrp that they have them.
I'm sure Taleban could use some Stealth Bombers and nukes too, that doesn't mean they have 'em.
(08-22-2013, 10:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: Duv's case is a little flawed.
All of those factions have, as Saronsen said, some significant reason to have capital ships. What he missed was the Order having to deal with a -- guess what -- buttload of Nomad battleships to fend off. It's only logical they'd have a somewhat impressive set of capital ships.
Unless you want the Order getting roflstomped by the nomads when suddenly one day all their Osirises have turned into Sekhmets and the ensuing destruction of the Edge Worlds that ensues.
Then we really wouldn't have to worry about Zoner capital ships.
No not really, nomad bs would defend only their homes and well see it like this why does VR need an arbiter? arent there freeports enough within sirius? To fly and depart from to do your VR stuff? O wait Zoners it was.. they have more population then many would think.. but are just devided. You try to see Corsairs, outcasts and such as houses, yet they are NOT.
Order is pounded a while back by the nomads, bhg core is a subfaction of BHG. But BHG is hunting mostly bounties indeed, try to fight Order and to gain more knowledge of the nomad tech and basically hope to get inferior weapons to fight with on for example their BHG ships. (snubs) They cannot fund so much to start a complete war vs order and nomads. along with the research with it.
So for your statements all invalid.. lets us just remove all the cruisers/bs ships and lets only let houses have em. Also Kazinsal whats the difference with liberty then that if the corsairs, order and bhg core for example would lose their caps? As the open nomads may only fly till gb isnt that more raping what you guys do there? O wait its the same as liberty only with HF. Every unlawfull in liberty uses 80% of the time a bomber anyways. And with a bomber what can you do? o wait rape caps.. so your next problem is also solved.
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Now hold on gentlemen. How about an aspect I haven't seen yet posted.
Alright. First. People can argue all day about battleships and who has em and whatnot. But lets look at this from a different perspective.
1. We have the Nephilim. It's a huge beast of burden and the largest in-game, yet people use it solely for combat (cept those who actually RP it properly) while at the same time is supposed to be a rare vessel. Solution: Remove it from the current line and make it SRP only.
2. The Leviathan. While a prototype it is indeed and an ACTUAL battleship, but due to it's status as a prototype it currently resides as possibly the hardest SRP ship to get, resulting in only 2 being on the server. Make sense. No changes needed there.
But now you'll be thinking "But we need battlesheeps for pew and nomnoms and whatnot!"
Soulition: Make a new one for the line.
Let's look at the current capital line for Zoner capitals.
Conference - Light gunship and agile in the right hands.
Corvo - A light cruiser and while supposedly to be a reasearch ship, is one of the top cruisers for TS/TZ players.
Fearless -Another in the Light/Medium cruiser section. No real issues to date so far.
Nephilim - The heaviest (Outside the Marduk respectively) battleship a Sirian can get and one of the most misused.
So we go from light, light, light/medium to Dear God heavy. To me that doesn't add up. Solution?
It's really simple in order to keep both sides happy. Make a new and 'plausible' battleship. A smaller and lighter battleship makes much more sense to have and is much more feasible to have around.
Doing so in the end satify both sides of the current field. Keeping BS tags under zoner ID while at the same time satisfy players who see the Nephilim as misued across the board.
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(08-22-2013, 10:57 AM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: 2. The Leviathan. While a prototype it is indeed and an ACTUAL battleship, but due to it's status as a prototype it currently resides as possibly the hardest SRP ship to get, resulting in only 2 being on the server. Make sense. No changes needed there.
Hardest to SRP? For us maybe yes.. ask phoenix they get one for free
@ Red: Sorry m8.. couldnt leave some small fun out here and its the admins to blame whahahahaha
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People get the wrong idea about what Zoners are supposed to be when you've got those boats available.
Even the "evolved lore" makes 0 sense, and in general caps have done more harm than good to Zoners, which in Vanilla was a super cool niche faction but in Disco is some sort of passive-aggressive nonsensical warbeast (that goes for TAZ too, I've been held up at gunpoint by you lot in caps).
No SRP's, no nothing. Just remove them all and fix the problem once and for all and make Zoners a cool and interesting faction to play.
(08-22-2013, 10:49 AM)Duvelske Wrote: No not really, nomad bs would defend only their homes and well see it like this why does VR need an arbiter? arent there freeports enough within sirius? To fly and depart from to do your VR stuff? O wait Zoners it was.. they have more population then many would think.. but are just devided. You try to see Corsairs, outcasts and such as houses, yet they are NOT.
* Kazinsal brings out the flammenwerfer
The Metropolis is ONE battleship -- the ONLY Vagrant Raiders battleship -- with literally three and a half years of RP behind it. It's the symbolic home of the faction. Without it existing in-RP, the faction is nothing. There's no symbol holding it together.
Let's see your three year roleplay for a single battleship that should exist in-game to mechanically supplement the in-RP and forum presence.
Now guys come on. This thread is turning into a mud slinging contest on who has what, but let's try to find a solution to it that makes all players happy.
How about something constructive on what I posted?
And no Anaximander. Simply removing such entirerly would cause too many headaches and such than its worth.
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Have anyone noticed that Kazinsal is proposing to remove zoners bs from zoner id and while he was making an application for an official faction with zoner cruisers/bs on freelancer/pirate/vagrant raiders ID?
The hypocrisy of this situation is just stunning ..
(08-22-2013, 10:57 AM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: Now hold on gentlemen. How about an aspect I haven't seen yet posted.
Alright. First. People can argue all day about battleships and who has em and whatnot. But lets look at this from a different perspective.
1. We have the Nephilim. It's a huge beast of burden and the largest in-game, yet people use it solely for combat (cept those who actually RP it properly) while at the same time is supposed to be a rare vessel. Solution: Remove it from the current line and make it SRP only.
2. The Leviathan. While a prototype it is indeed and an ACTUAL battleship, but due to it's status as a prototype it currently resides as possibly the hardest SRP ship to get, resulting in only 2 being on the server. Make sense. No changes needed there.
But now you'll be thinking "But we need battlesheeps for pew and nomnoms and whatnot!"
Soulition: Make a new one for the line.
Let's look at the current capital line for Zoner capitals.
Conference - Light gunship and agile in the right hands.
Corvo - A light cruiser and while supposedly to be a reasearch ship, is one of the top cruisers for TS/TZ players.
Fearless -Another in the Light/Medium cruiser section. No real issues to date so far.
Nephilim - The heaviest (Outside the Marduk respectively) battleship a Sirian can get and one of the most misused.
So we go from light, light, light/medium to Dear God heavy. To me that doesn't add up. Solution?
It's really simple in order to keep both sides happy. Make a new and 'plausible' battleship. A smaller and lighter battleship makes much more sense to have and is much more feasible to have around.
Doing so in the end satify both sides of the current field. Keeping BS tags under zoner ID while at the same time satisfy players who see the Nephilim as misued across the board.