(08-23-2013, 12:46 AM)Hell Hunter Wrote: Joke is, you haven't got anything to defend omicron 74 from.
Also turrets have a 5k radius from the base, and the bases dont need to be that close to jumphole (<1k ~)
If you've been around long enough you might just remember the nomad assaults on the O-74 system.
It wasn't a a joke back then when there little blue ships started streaming into the system.
More followed and did we see any sign of the order helping.
The answer your looking for is no.
In fact in all truth many of our own people posted help requests from all over siruis.
We had people coming in from all over the place to help out...
It's more fun to fight them than hide, which is lame. If they're there to RP I'll RP with them. Don't wanna get shot at? Log off if you see them coming in the nearing system (not in space!!)
Bases built for these reasons is just jerky imo and kills GOOD activity. Which it did for the nomad indies.
siege activity = BAD activity for both sides. It's a waste of time.
(08-22-2013, 10:24 PM)Shizune Wrote: TAZ is the well known Eris-loving faction that everyone tends to love due to their....crazed RP.
Comms, Kappa and Sanc' have just about the normal RP limit to live
Comms: Communcations center fine -fine with me.
Kappa: Lockdown station partly fine - not needed
Sanc: No point to exist due to the fact NO RP has happened with it - agreed
(08-22-2013, 11:23 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: That was before the ***** hit the fan, anyhowz - the order is the only problem here, not phoenix not ais not you - I told you what would end this, complete obligation not to go pew-hunting- no matter who asks you, including the order, or santa - enforce the agreement as we enforce it and were all gonna be just fine.
Tel, seriously? you have like no bargaining power to make any demands.
(08-22-2013, 11:52 PM)UK1 Wrote: I'm not sure what will happen next for the ZA or what direction we will go in...
So for now I think a peaceful time to reflect on past actions would be a good suggestion. talk to the other zoner factions, we are all happy to help you guys develop. just dont act with arrogance All the ZA really want is to be left alone.All zoners want this. No out siders laws,no war,death or destruction. It is one law that pretty much all zoners comply with.its not that big a compromise. you could have RP'd with order for some co-operative research RP instead of going berzerk In a system which we are proud to call home.
We just want to be independent. No problem with that
Left to do what we zoners want in our own guard system... Heres another problem. Its not a guard system anymore
So once the bases return how about we call a truce.Good start here. No stupid demands.
No restrictions.
The bases are staying and that includes there weapon platforms.The bases and even the turrets are no problem, except the placement. everybody would be happy if the bases were moved 5 or 6 k away from the holes. you can have your bases, and people can move freely through the system. Let me give an example...... after PoBs were turned off, the population of 74 spiked. we had AI, TBH, phoenix, SolarR, indie zoners all passing through talking, chatting, RPing, generally having fun. and there were even a few small noms who popped up occassionally to RP and pew. that is how 74 should be. the bases, as they are now, prevent that. As a good will gesture we the ZA will return our station defense mode to setting Zero = neutral to all but the zoner iff enemys.
Plus we will pull back our defense platforms to souly defend our installations....good start, but not much of a compromise in itself. more is needed All we ask in return is that all other people,factions,walks of life return to kindness~ np np and stop with the demands and attacks in a system that clearly is not under there durastiction or rules.... Neither are you really. thats what people have been saying. you cant ask other factions to do that and then demand stuff yourselves
Were not monsters and never have been. We just appearedto some other larger groups/factions to be an easy target.
But once people found that we were not such a push over the whole nasty affair just sky rocketed... You guys are at fault here as well as phoenix, AI and Order. dont try and deflect your part in all this
Now all that said and done lets see if peace is really possible shall we...
And I'm not one to go snap happy when all sh*t breaks loose.
But I suggest you get your camera's ready and I think you'll be fairly surprised to see just who fires the first shoot.
Who's attacking who and who really wants peace or is just out to cause trouble.
Now I'm not picking on any one person or group with that statement so don't anyone take it personally... But you have to admit while anyones shooting at us were just gonna do our best to survive as I expect anyone would
if they found themselfs in our boots... i do agree with this part
All that being said...
I bid you all goodnight.
Signed Mow the current leader or pain in the back side,another word or phase would be Thorn in your side....
(08-23-2013, 12:17 AM)Shizune Wrote:
(08-23-2013, 12:12 AM)UK1 Wrote:
(08-23-2013, 12:08 AM)Omicron Wrote: Update: I am asking an admin whether moving bases is possibility if sides agree to it. I believe it would remove most of the basis for conflict.
I don't see why we should agree to that...
The bases were constructed in the first place to protect the people.
What use would they be in defending from such entity's as the nomads if they were
moved away from the jump holes...
Now really why do you need those bases if I might add? or atleast move them away from the JH's, theres enough forces in the Omicrons to aid in the defense of the system and more over
Nomads killing people is a major part in rookie order RP, Zoner RP, Some Corsair RP, Outcast RP, and a lot of others, if not for the nomads RP killing people a lot of people would not have the RP they do now to say
edit if i may: please understand mow this is RP we talking about and people have defended 74 long before the ZA arrived
Shizune is just expressing something that is true. see above points for ways to alleviate all this problems.
(08-23-2013, 12:40 AM)UK1 Wrote:
(08-23-2013, 12:29 AM)Shizune Wrote:
(08-23-2013, 12:27 AM)UK1 Wrote: Further more the ZA was created by myself and member falcon.
I myself have never been or visited that USA server you speak off.
I can't speak for falcon but I'm guessing the answer would be the same
Still Mow why is it that hard for you to part ways with the defenses? really whats in it for the ZA?
Ever group or faction here has the right to arms and defense is the only reason for us Zoners...
A lot of effort was put into locating and building those installations for the b]sole purpose of defending the omicron 74 system from the nomads ~ This does not need PoBs and if needs be people like Galanski and there war mongering ways.As said earlier, you arent the only system inhabitants, and have no mandate to solely decide things like this.
To disarm would only be falling right into there hands and leave the place defenseless. We the Za are not stupid if we remove our defense system the order will just roll its fleet in and attempt to tear down our stations and homes...
It ain't gonna happen my friend...
As i live and breath the order will not conquer the O-74 system....The order do not want to onquer 74. they are the friends of zoners, and have their own system. repeat no.2: you guys do not have a mandate or any grounds to solely decide on what happens in 74.
You do know how amusing I find this whole scenario, don't you?
This is nothing more than a repeat of what happened a few years ago in Delta. Remember that there are two factions in the game that as per their ID's have both the right and the responsibility under their designated role-play to not just ask for, but to DEMAND Nomad remains from other players - regardless of who that other player is.
BHG|Core and Order.
The last time this happened, we ended up with a group of Zoners that found out the hard way that it doesn't pay to irritate a large military force. I suspect that this time we're going to find out that a group of Zoners shouldn't piss off their allies - who also happen to be a large military force.
Thing is - Zoners saying, hey, we're going to keep these remains for our own purposes and research - goes completely against everything that both the Core AND the Order believe in, or will allow. No, you can't have diddly squat to keep and play with - you can't be trusted with it. Both the Core and the Order have learned the hard way that Nomad remains are something that should only be looked upon by their own experts - albeit for different purposes.
So to see Tel making all these ridiculous comments about Michael is, to me, nothing short of hilarious. Realistically? You want to settle this, honestly? Simply capitulate to what the Order wants. That's safer from the perspective of dealing with Nomad remains. And it fits in with how Zoners handle things politically and diplomatically. I'm not sure what you guys have been or are doing, but one thing is damn certain - you're not playing Zoners as Zoners should be played. You're acting like nothing more than spoiled brats who have no clue about the lore of their peoples.
I suppose another way would be to say it's like you're trying to play Paladins - and you happen to be Chaotic Evil. I'm not going to say that you should start playing Zoners right because you're all screwed up with them now ... but ... you should start playing Zoners right.
And yeah, you can flame me for jumping into this thread, but we're part of the ongoing drama out there as well, just not as active at the moment. You're really not worth the effort right now.
Oh, and for what it's worth - the Order IS RP'ing things correctly here. You're acting like you're infected. Otherwise you'd have no reason to NOT hand ALL Nomad remains you collect over to them immediately. Learn the damn lore behind the mod before you make yourselves look even MORE like jackasses.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I have made by offer to with draw the weapons platforms back to a more defensive and suitable position.
I have offered to return the kappa and if I haven't made it clear enough also the comm station platforms back to a neutral
weapons,defensive weapons only stance...
I have offered and communicate better in the future and take into account the rest of the zoner populations opinion
along with an apologize for past system hostily and lock downs...
As far as I can see so far I'm making an effort and bending over back words to help push things forward and breach the gap between our peoples.
I wish I could say the same about our fows!!!!!
If this isn't a good enough sign toward the ZA's efforts for peace what is!!!!!!!!
(08-23-2013, 08:04 AM)UK1 Wrote: I have made by offer to with draw the weapons platforms back to a more defensive and suitable position.
I have offered to return the kappa and if I haven't made it clear enough also the comm station platforms back to a neutral
weapons,defensive weapons only stance...
I have offered and communicate better in the future and take into account the rest of the zoner populations opinion
along with an apologize for past system hostily and lock downs...
As far as I can see so far I'm making an effort and bending over back words to help push things forward and breach the gap between our peoples.
I wish I could say the same about our fows!!!!!
If this isn't a good enough sign toward the ZA's efforts for peace what is!!!!!!!!
Agmen pointed out what would be a good enough sign, but it seems some people have difficulties at reading. Let me help you at that.
(08-23-2013, 03:49 AM)Agmen of Eladesor Wrote: Thing is - Zoners saying, hey, we're going to keep these remains for our own purposes and research - goes completely against everything that both the Core AND the Order believe in, or will allow. No, you can't have diddly squat to keep and play with - you can't be trusted with it.
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Simply capitulate to what the Order wants. That's safer from the perspective of dealing with Nomad remains. And it fits in with how Zoners handle things politically and diplomatically.
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You're acting like you're infected. Otherwise you'd have no reason to NOT hand ALL Nomad remains you collect over to them immediately.
(08-22-2013, 10:50 PM)Shizune Wrote: Tel this is about finding a RP way to end this, lets please not start a blame game here if you will, I am looking for a way to end this, not for a way to start blaming each other
(08-22-2013, 10:24 PM)Shizune Wrote: I must point out Mow, its not the fact you cant RP, or the bases mainly
Its more along the line you DONT RP
I mean, yes, you RP, but how much?
You got no background story, no forward story, no story on who or why your bases live besides to lock people out (or in, in some cases)
(08-22-2013, 10:24 PM)Shizune Wrote: The main point is also you have no RP story to backup your faction unlike the other Zoner factions
(08-22-2013, 10:24 PM)Shizune Wrote: What im trying to say is that the ZA have none of these things, they attack, log hidden ships to do trade runs, yell at us (or troll in most cases), and even more over rarely RP anymore.
(08-23-2013, 12:20 AM)Shizune Wrote: Is this the same thing that happened in the USA server before crap hit the fan or am i just hearing crap again?
(08-22-2013, 11:02 PM)Shizune Wrote: Now please i asked you not to start a blaming thing here but clearly you have tried to bypass that by blaming the Order, i said RP end meaning how can we solve this now, not past actions, forget those, i want to know a way to finishing it with NOW actions
You certainly have a great sense of humor. I think Jesus said something about all of this, Matthew 7:3 and whatnot.
Oh my god now we got people quoting the flaming bible....
Are you f**king kidding me here !!!!!!
Anyways I've been looking into this whole matter and taking into consideration what all have said the ZA are looking into
an alternative rather then using nomad remains for cloaking research and equipment development...
When the bases return and most of my lot return from there holidays.
Some due to the kids being on 6 weeks summer holidays or others just work or personal commitment.
The ZA group is gonna under go yet another restructure I think.
To start all bases and there weapon platforms will be withdraw to a more suitable distance and set to a less hostile
stance.
The stations will be returned to Zoner iff which will help secure a lot of peoples safety according to there own iff reputation.
The system Lock down is and will be canceled.
The order won't budge an inch and neither will we but its unfair that the innocent are being made to suffer...
All stocks if any found will be removed and properly disposed of.
Due to resent research an alternative material has been developed for use in the construction of the latest cloaking
technology...
All docking permits that have been issued for system access will be removed due to the fact that there now gonna be
redundant.
And finally and most import further tutoring and role play training will be issued and over seen by a delegated person
of my choice....
Sign Zoner-Mow The Current leader and commander of the Zoner Alliance...
(08-23-2013, 08:04 PM)UK1 Wrote: Oh my god now we got people quoting the flaming bible....
Are you f**king kidding me here !!!!!!
Really, that was the final straw. Flaming other peoples views, and it even proves a good point. Or what, are you gonna suddenly dislike homosexuality because of opinions and points? Don't do it.
Good to see you're going to attempt to makes changes once they're back.
Also you can't get an alternative 'material' for cloaks, you NEED nomad remains. Just don't get caught.
Oh and one more thing to improve on. Your crappy attitude to other views, please.
This drama was dumb to begin with.
(08-23-2013, 08:25 PM)Hell Hunter Wrote: Also you can't get an alternative 'material' for cloaks, you NEED nomad remains.
By game mechanics, yes, but he could RP an alternative version of cloak. E.g. Council had experiments with a cameleon-like cloaking technology, not total invisibility, but taking the texture of your surroundings, or something like that. (A whole total of 1 post of RP and a graphic glitch to back it up lol)
Of course, if he's getting caught dealing with nomnom materials above the set limit, they can get in trouble indeed.