LN+CR+Zoners+BAF+RM vs Gallics

[SnakeLancerHaven]

"The more powerfull you get the more enemies you have" GRN is powerfull, so that was expected that they get so many enemies fighting against em, I mean look at SCRA, even though whole Sirius hates it, noone realy cares to ally together and fight them, cause SCRA is small and not as powerfull as Gallia.

If you've figured all of your discussions here are out of Roleplay, if Gallia is Q_Q about how many enemies they have than they should start recruiting and getting more players on their side, simple as that. In RP it doesn't change a little thing, Gallia is still powerfull even if there is only 1 Player on their side getting ganked all the time.

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[djordje_petrovic]

Jaydee are you that scra m8 which observers fights in magellan?

I know one , problem is with scra cause those commies dont like kingdoms and Bretonia and Gallia are both kingdoms, and according to Gallic laws penalty for mockery of monarchy and the king is death. Hard is RP justification to join us . If possible any kind of cohabitation it has to be solved on political statement not in battle angagements, at least in terms of SCRA and GRN non agression pact or so .

[JayDee Kasane]

My chars is listen in my sig - look at it and find out was I -that- SCRA or not.

About royalists and such. I never said SCRA likes Gallia and will help it. Just its more logic not to give Liberty or Gallia advantage over eathother in Magellan, but keep ballance in fights so no side pushes towards. So they can kill eachother without overtaking Leeds or California. So SCRA doesnt takes sides here. We just shoot at more powerful fleet that is present at battlefield to keep ballance and dont let it win.

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[Trogdor]

I don't think Rheinland has any business attacking anyone - They are coming apart at the seams and need to use this break to solve their internal problems. And unlike Kusari, Rheinland still has a host of popular pirate and revolutionary groups maintaining activity in-house. I think Rheinland will be fine.

Gallia is in a precarious position and the war is at a tipping point. They need to finish Bretonia quickly, so that they can leave behind a token force and concentrate on fighting Liberty.

Meanwhile, the Zoners are faced with a conundrum - at least in my opinion.
Do they avoid the conflict and quarrel with Bretonia over Omega 3 and 49, trusting that Gallia will leave them be once Bretonia falls?
Or do they take Gallia's initial hostility as a warning sign, put aside past grievances with Bretonia, and tolerate their desperate retreat and takeover, while aiding the Council, LN, and BAF in whatever capacity they can? However, in so doing, they strain their ideal neutrality, in the interest of self-preservation. What repercussions could that have?
I would very much like our ID to be loosened to allow these possibilities to play out ingame without SANKSHUNS.

Finally, we should go with the aforementioned suggestion to make Gallic ships darn near free, so that the GRN's inRP military strength can also be represented ingame, and Gallic players don't find themselves massively outnumbered and ganked.

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[Thyrzul]

Considering Gallia is an internally-unstable mess that has been building out-of-date battleships for several hundred years for the sole purpose of invading an ever-changing Sirius...

U wot mate?

Regardless of how much of a Council guy I am, even I say that Gallia isn't as unstable as you might want to portray it, of course it is our goal to make it so, but we aren't really that close to achieve this unstability.

Out-of-date battleships? You must be kidding, where the hell did you get that from?

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[Omi]

Finally, we should go with the aforementioned suggestion to make Gallic ships darn near free, so that the GRN's inRP military strength can also be represented ingame, and Gallic players don't find themselves massively outnumbered and ganked.

I really don't think this will help our problem at all. Making GRN the go-to PvP faction by virtue of cheap toys sounds to me like a great way to turn Magellan into a second Connecticut.

The issue, as I see it, is that there's just enough enough factions on the GRN side of every skirmish. Some factions are bigger than others, sure, but I think the only way numbers are going to be balanced is if the number of factions on each size becomes more or less equal. You can't hope to inflate GRN's in-game presence to match it's iRP size; it won't work.

Gallia ... has been building out-of-date battleships for several hundred years...

This kind of thing is why we need some kind of story director/manager/administrator to stand up already and set things straight, because at the minute the whole "durr hurr who is the more powerfuller" debate is revolving around who can pull more poorly substantiated claims out of their arse. Maybe if we could have some actual canon facts laid down, as opposed to everyone chiming in with their own interpretation of Gallic/Liberty/Bretonian/whatever's strengths, weaknesses, and every other aspect of lore, we could get something done.

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[Linkus]

Gallia wants to conquer Sirius and has the power to do it. (Perhaps not entirely alone)
Folks don't want to be conquered.
Logical decision?
Fight Gallia.

Much as we'd love to shoot each other etc, most factions exist because their leaders were not complete idiots.
Ideologically infused and blinded by hate perhaps, but not stupid.

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[Omi]

Gallia wants to conquer Sirius and has the power to do it.

Gallia doesn't. At least, that's what the majority think is canon.

Folks don't want to be conquered.
Logical decision?
Fight Gallia.

I can only hope that some factions will have a less binary approach to "the Gallia problem" than "we don't like them so we shoot them".

Much as we'd love to shoot each other etc, most factions exist because their leaders were not complete idiots.
Ideologically infused and blinded by hate perhaps, but not stupid.

The whole "foes put aside their differences against a common, greater enemy" trope was worn out years ago, and is about as fresh and interesting as colour television. I actually find it remarkable that no factions have been trying to cosy up to Gallia while it's still winning, trying to manipulate the Royal Navy to their own ends, before the inevitable stalling of their advance. People act like open hostility is the only form of hostility, sometimes.

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[Knjaz]

Gallia wants to conquer Sirius and has the power to do it. (Perhaps not entirely alone)
Folks don't want to be conquered.
Logical decision?
Fight Gallia.

Much as we'd love to shoot each other etc, most factions exist because their leaders were not complete idiots.
Ideologically infused and blinded by hate perhaps, but not stupid.

Honestly, I don't see Rheinland allying with Liberty against Gallia.

The amount of damage done by Liberty, direct and indirect, developing trade relations with Gallia and situation with pirates/revolutionaries in the Omegas/homeland would make a political corpse out of anyone who'd push for such an alliance.

Allying with Gallia? Now that's a different question. But that would depend on the state of Rheinland itself.

[Aphil]

I think it's incorrect to assume that the SCRA is only and will only be on the sides of Bretonia and Liberty. It has simply appeared that way because of certain hostile actions on the part of a certain group forcing our hand.

The SCRA hate both sides, so we'll just shoot at whoever we feel like it on that particular day. Who knows, maybe it's in the best interest of the SCRA to push Gallia deeper into Liberty, over-extending it even further.

Regardless, I will do my best to ensure that the SCRA minimizes its participation in ganks. If Liberty is destined to win regardless, then there's no harm in helping the Gallics get a few kills, all in the interest of fair play and having fun.

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