Not fair at all

[JohnyWalker]

 
Now, what's missing in your post is your affiliation and/or ship class. If you were Police/Navy then he could just call you a horrible so-and-so and do as he pleases with you, because he's a pirate.

Ohh so sorry, i forget that, i was using my LNS char. Let me put you guys in situation better, to avoid confusing.

ME: LNS ID+IFF
OUR TARGET: Rogue ID+IFF
EXTRA GUY: Pirate ID+Freelancer IFF

We was 2 LNS and 1 LSF fighting against that Rogue, all going perfect, roleplaying and so on. The problem came with the EXTRA GUY. While we was fighting against our Rogue target, he said one time "Assisting Rogue!" so i asked "Why, he didnt hire you... please leave the area" (i was thinking hes Freelancer, coz he has that IFF). The EXTRA GUY asked "what about 1 million per ship?"...some secods... "no deal?" ... some seconds...and start to shoot.

My main question its about that IFF, i remember someone told me, to can open fire to assist another one (between pirates), only can be if their IFF match (ex: Rogue IFF and Rogue IFF), or (Outcast IFF + Outcast IFF) and so on... if not match, the Rogue (in this case) should write clear in local chat he is needing help and agree with the assistance.

I think is not fair Pirates and bad guys using others IFF's.... not only to me, i saw it making confusing with others also.

Also, i want to say its not the first time i see a Pirate ID using some IFF's like Zoners IFF, Junkers IFF and Freelancers IFF.

I think its more clear now... I hope hehehehehe.

Enjoy!

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[Freeroamer]

Well, there you go; he asked the hostiles for money. Nothing to see here.

Having said that, this does raise an interesting question, as I put in my first response.

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[Vigilia.Procuratio]

I guess the question I raised is for another topic, so we'll leave that.

It doesn't matter about the IFF, the important thing is that they're not conflicting. If he had a Xeno IFF with a Pirate ID then it'd certainly be unusual to help a Rogue. But he's just a completely-independent pirate whom felt it necessary to help a Rogue in his time of need. He made his demands of the hostile force, he was ignored, didn't like and got funny with them. Nothing wrong at all.

In fact, it sounds like he even realised that "assisting Rogue" was insufficient and so decided to demand some money. He might've actually gone the extra mile to keep within the rules.

[JohnyWalker]

Well... my question is.

Im fighting against a Liberty Rogue ID+IFF, and in middle of combat appear a guy Freelancer IFF saying "assisting Rogue!" and asking "What about 1 million per ship?" and no response from Rogue, after that he say "Oh no deal?", after that in 10 seconds he opened fire, my surprise that Freelancer IFF (white for me) really is a Pirate ID...

That was turning confusing while combat, i was trying to ask "When he hired you?" but i noted hes Pirate ID after that.

Can that Pirate ID+Freelacer IFF just open fire?

I think is not fair Pirates and bad guys using others IFF's.... not only to me, i saw it making confusing with others also.

I guess the question I raised is for another topic, so we'll leave that.

It doesn't matter about the IFF, the important thing is that they're not conflicting. If he had a Xeno IFF with a Pirate ID then it'd certainly be unusual to help a Rogue. But he's just a completely-independent pirate whom felt it necessary to help a Rogue in his time of need. He made his demands of the hostile force, he was ignored, didn't like and got funny with them. Nothing wrong at all.

In fact, it sounds like he even realised that "assisting Rogue" was insufficient and so decided to demand some money. He might've actually gone the extra mile to keep within the rules.

The EXTRA guy, (Pirate ID+Freelancer IFF) was asking to the Rogue if he would pay him 1 million/each our LNS ship. LIke attempting to be hired by that Rogue

No response from the Rogue, so i assumed he dont want to hire him, then he dont have to give any assistance to anyone, its another combat

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[Just.Dave]

Well pirate id can pirate who and that he wants lawful or unlawful if he asked for money and you did not pay and other guy did then you can be the target simple

[JohnyWalker]

Well pirate id can pirate who and that he wants lawful or unlawful if he asked for money and you did not pay and other guy did then you can be the target simple

He didnt ask for money to us, was to the Rogue. We was already in combat some minutes before the Extra guy arrive to us.

Please read my post, this is going in other way than my original idea!

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[Vigilia.Procuratio]

Right, that changes things. The thing is, there was technically some RP prior to combat so I don't know if a complaint would be upheld, but I agree that something more should have been said. The pirate could have simply said "Ah well, screw the deal. I'm going to attack them anyway because they're scum!", or some shorter version. The IFF isn't really relevant here because there would've been a multitude of reasons for that pirate to join the fight; he could've just said "Oh my, a Rogue getting shot! Can't be having that!". The problem here is that there was no prior communication between the lawful players and the independent pirate prior to the latter jumping in. Was this a violation? Dunno.

[JohnyWalker]

Right, that changes things. The thing is, there was technically some RP prior to combat so I don't know if a complaint would be upheld, but I agree that something more should have been said. The pirate could have simply said "Ah well, screw the deal. I'm going to attack them anyway because they're scum!", or some shorter version. The IFF isn't really relevant here because there would've been a multitude of reasons for that pirate to join the fight; he could've just said "Oh my, a Rogue getting shot! Can't be having that!". The problem here is that there was no prior communication between the lawful players and the independent pirate prior to the latter jumping in. Was this a violation? Dunno.

YAY, finaly here, this is my question. The prior combat was perfectly RPing (and funny hard with that fast fighter hehehe)

The idea is, before open fire that EXTRA guy should say clearly he will join in combat, not asking for being hired for 1 mill and so on, and how he has no response just opening fire

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[Vigilia.Procuratio]

Well, I assume that the idea behind the RP-before-shooty rule is that the opposing party is given adequate notice, because he can't see a warning when he's dead. I think it's fair to assume in this case that the independent pirate was not directly involved in the combat until he actually started firing. After all, it is normally some form of notice which serves to brings parties into combat, not guns.

In any case, whenever somebody offers to join the party I'm currently fighting against I tend to treat them as a valid enemy combatant from that moment and assume that they're going to shoot me, regardless of whether or not the other side agree. If that person strays into my cross-hair, he might get shot.

[SnakThree]

He asked for 1 million from each ship. They didn't pay. He opened fire.

Nothing wrong here.

Yes you are right Veygaar

There Where 3 navy Ships
2 Bombers and 1 Gunboat

And i Demanded 1 mil per ship and waited 1 min for them to respond and they say nothing And i said "So No Deal?" and started attacking them

That is it

Have you made it clear, that you demanded from them?

Because, they might not have understood that a PIRATE is demanding money from NAVY squad.
You know... It goes against the logic and role of a pirate, but since you just wanted to get PvP, you had to abide the rules just so you would not get reported, right?

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