Piracy demands are not valid unless they're made in local chat. For all intents and purposes, until a demand is made in proximity to you by a ship you can see, you are under no obligation to pay.
Pre-emptive long range piracy does not permit a pirate to shoot you without a demand the next time he encounters you.
sadly, it's not true, echo.
3.3 Aggressors are not allowed to destroy a trade vessel prior to issuing a demand, in system or local chat, and allowing sufficient time to respond. "Halt" on its own is not a demand, however, a trade vesselcan be destroyed if they refuse to stop after being asked to in the form of a proper demand.
either way, you are docked and out of the sandbox. the next time you meet he NEEDS to treat it as fresh encounter, as you are logged out. if you docked with a jumphole/gate, and ran into the next system where he eventually caught you, that would be the same encounter.
imo pm'd 10milrdai threats are the lowest form of RP
He made the demand in system chat, while I was docked (he might have known where I docked as he could have followed me cloaked); although he talked in local to a Lane Hacker, but while he (the pirate) was cloaked.
I think the rule should be changed, like demand is only valid if the ship is visible on radar; according to recent rules, I can just spam system chat with demands while I'm docked at a base.
(11-11-2013, 08:24 AM)Ponge Wrote: I think the rule should be changed, like demand is only valid if the ship is visible on radar; according to recent rules, I can just spam system chat with demands while I'm docked at a base.
The problem is that new scanners make current rules with loopholes.
Here is an explenation: He demanded 10 millions from you, and he was sure you would refuse it. He did that in that way just to get attention from the lawfuls. From my experience, I'd say that some pirates demand in the similar way which is a challenge to the lawfuls to look and chase the pirate. He might had a fight/battle or a mess around with the lawfuls in his mind.
That's quite an useful way to have an interesting fight/RP.
(11-11-2013, 02:04 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: Piracy demands are not valid unless they're made in local chat. For all intents and purposes, until a demand is made in proximity to you by a ship you can see, you are under no obligation to pay.
Pre-emptive long range piracy does not permit a pirate to shoot you without a demand the next time he encounters you.
I think it's fair to say that if a trader can see a pirate on his scanner and that pirate says clearly in system chat "[Freelancer]Alpha_1-1 you must pay me one million credits or face the consequences", a reasonable demand has been made of that player. Naturally, "2milrdai" coming over the system channel will likely be scoffed at.
As far as I know, there is nothing stopping him from making a demand over system chat but if you already docked, then he needs to make another demand before he can shoot you.
(11-11-2013, 02:04 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: Piracy demands are not valid unless they're made in local chat. For all intents and purposes, until a demand is made in proximity to you by a ship you can see, you are under no obligation to pay.
Pre-emptive long range piracy does not permit a pirate to shoot you without a demand the next time he encounters you.
A good question and a very slippery slope since
How does the pirate know you are there (Cloaks are fine and all but unless the online list starts being inRP making a demand in system chat is borderline metagaming.