(12-13-2013, 12:33 AM)Trogdor Wrote: I think roleplaying a faction that's trying to become its own house, one based on freedom and equality, is much more interesting, and so this is what I push for.
That's the Vagrant Raiders, not the Zoners.
In my opinion, Zoners were ruined the moment official Zoner factions started to exist. it completely distorted the spirit of the original NPC faction. A Zoner is a Zoner, wherever he lives. Instead, now we have TAZ Zoners, OSI Zoners, Phoenix Zoners, and whatnot. Makes. No. Sense.
Erm.
A load of disparate communities living on completely different sides of the sector will not be culturally, spiritually, linguistically, biologically or technologically homogenous.
Trust me, nobody distrusts each other more InRp than two Zoner factions.
Edit: A 'zoner' is a civillian living a life outside of house dominion and/or restriction who isn't a member of an organised pirate group or any other goal-oriented organisation such as the IMG or the Order/BHG. Zoners also share a unilateral belief in "the Zoner way", which loosely stands for freedom in the face of adversity, but can be interpreted in whatever way the individual wishes for. Zoners view no man as nemesis but houses with distrust, and cannot be depicted as one binding body.
Unless one Zoner organisation succeeded in gaining dominion over the entirety of the freeport network, there will be no determinate Zoner archetype.
Second Edit:
Rp diversity is a thing to be cherished - OSI, TAZ and Phoenix have all rendered significant contributions to the role-play of this mod and continue to regularly.
And yes, CW|.*strokes e-peen*.
Third Edit:
(12-13-2013, 08:00 AM)sindroms Wrote: Zoners are the same as Junkers and Freelancers. A Group large enough to be identified under one name, but the participents of which have their own goals. The mix of all those individuals and their goals make the Zoners. Most of which are people, who have evacuated from house space due to whatever reason.
That aptly epitomised the idea; thank you Sindroms. ^
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)
Oh, lovely, a wild Haste appeared. This thread has now caught 'em all. Discomon!
Surprise surprise, OSI's view of what the Zoners are is good for OSI, not so good for other Zoners whom want to do things besides trade.
As Jinx said, if one's viewpoint is that the capabilities of each faction should be representative of what was in Vanilla, none of any of what we've added to any side-faction makes any sense. To be fair, we'd have to remove the caps from just about everyone that isn't a house military. You seem to be totally fine with this, indeed:
Quote:Edit: And I'm all for 'faction deflation'. I don't see why every faction needs to be big and powerful. We have the houses for that.
Not everyone wants to play a house military cap. Some people want to play pirate caps, corporate caps, etc.
And not every faction is big and powerful. Some were changed, had their lore altered, to be that way. That doesn't mean it goes against what that faction was supposed to represent, or is contrary to their ideals. And caps are a large part of what makes this mod successful.
@achille - I would add one thing to that. The Zoners believe in working together, and looking out for one another; the common good. The house idea is merely taking that facet and amplifying it.
@sabre - I don't know why I bother replying to you, since every single thing that comes out of your keyboard is arrogant and/or sarcastic. Could you try talking to your fellow community members with civility? (Here's a hint - calling my ideas delusional is not being civil. In fact it is quite rude.)
To answer your question, I suggested a few things.
The main idea was to take the Zoners out of O-74 and put them in Cayman. Obviously, this would only be done if the dev/admins decide that there is no longer sufficient interest in the RoS to justify them owning their own system. They could then either be removed from the mod, or kept, remaining in the system as a secondary power. Either way, they'd have their bases turned over to Zoner control. InRP, they lost/died out, and the Zoners saw an opportunity to expand. Their bases would now sell the Zoner shipline (and the RoS line, if they remain - I believe they have enough bases to do this).
This would allow the dev team to reclaim Omicron 74. O74 is a mess and feels artificial; it needs to go. Moving the Zoners' assets to Cayman would let the dev team repurpose or delete O74 as part of a general reworking of the Omicrons, to make the region more conducive to activity, particularly for the Corsairs. Additionally, the bases could be reclaimed and used for something else (since the Dev team apparently does not want to add more base entries).
Other benefits:
- The faction's most important stations would no longer be in a crossroads system, nor right next to the home of another major faction. It would be off by itself, reasonably far away from any other power.
- The Zoners could withdraw from Canaria if things get out of hand, and let the Sairs/SCRA fight over it.
- It would have activity. The Corsairs would want to raid it, for both piracy and political reasons: they want to keep the Zoners under their thumb. Sairs being in the system would attract SCRA, whom would also want to hunt down the remaining RoS. Other factions may wish to pirate there too. The Zoners would declare the entire system a NFZ and would come into conflict with these other groups causing trouble in their new home.
- It would give Zoner caps a real purpose.
- It could revive the RoS.
- I can see where you would say this kicks the stool out from under Phoenix, but it is actually in line with their primary goal - "Find a safe and independent place for ourselves and our families to settle." And they can still fight the Nomads; out of the other Freeports in the Omicrons, and now, they can also base out of the Omegas/Cayman to fight the Wilde.
And finally,
- This could be a fun thing; a way to shake things up. I think it's worth doing (or at least considering) based on this merit alone.
The alternative to this idea, if for whatever reason the community decides we don't want to touch Cayman, is to make a new system near Cayman/O-49 and move everything from O-74 into it.
(12-14-2013, 12:39 PM)Trogdor Wrote: The main idea was to take the Zoners out of O-74 and put them in Cayman. Obviously, this would only be done if the dev/admins decide that there is no longer sufficient interest in the RoS to justify them owning their own system. They could then either be removed from the mod, or kept, remaining in the system as a secondary power. Either way, they'd have their bases turned over to Zoner control. InRP, they lost/died out, and the Zoners saw an opportunity to expand. Their bases would now sell the Zoner shipline (and the RoS line, if they remain - I believe they have enough bases to do this).
This would allow the dev team to reclaim Omicron 74. O74 is a mess and feels artificial; it needs to go. Moving the Zoners' assets to Cayman would let the dev team repurpose or delete O74 as part of a general reworking of the Omicrons, to make the region more conducive to activity, particularly for the Corsairs. Additionally, the bases could be reclaimed and used for something else (since the Dev team apparently does not want to add more base entries).
Other benefits:
- The faction's most important stations would no longer be in a crossroads system, nor right next to the home of another major faction. It would be off by itself, reasonably far away from any other power.
- The Zoners could withdraw from Canaria if things get out of hand, and let the Sairs/SCRA fight over it.
- It would have activity. The Corsairs would want to raid it, for both piracy and political reasons: they want to keep the Zoners under their thumb. Sairs being in the system would attract SCRA, whom would also want to hunt down the remaining RoS. Other factions may wish to pirate there too. The Zoners would declare the entire system a NFZ and would come into conflict with these other groups causing trouble in their new home.
- It would give Zoner caps a real purpose.
- It could revive the RoS.
- I can see where you would say this kicks the stool out from under Phoenix, but it is actually in line with their primary goal - "Find a safe and independent place for ourselves and our families to settle." And they can still fight the Nomads; out of the other Freeports in the Omicrons, and now, they can also base out of the Omegas/Cayman to fight the Wilde.
And finally,
- This could be a fun thing; a way to shake things up. I think it's worth doing (or at least considering) based on this merit alone.
Well I have to say, all of this makes incredible sense. You have my support, whatever value it might have (hint: not much )
(12-13-2013, 08:05 AM)Saronsen Wrote: There's no such thing as a Zoner house.
And as much as Trogdor/Tel-Aviv/Every other ZA wants it, there never will be.
Sorry.
I'm sorry, perhaps in this new pc era we should be translating words in every which way so that other people can understand, english is no longer english.
Zoners within house space do make a living, primarily from penny. Infact I have a cruiser docked at erie, and a BW somewhere there. I'm here long enough to remember living zoners in bering>texas, yukon>colorado, honshu>chogoku, penny>cali. It appears that Drobbe can sanction on little things such as trolling, when one simply expresses his opinion, or his massive sanctions towards people with "sig-trolling" - but when im being sigged its as if everyone is looking down at the floor. That's a good example of what you view things and how others view things.
(12-19-2013, 12:22 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I'm sorry, perhaps in this new pc era we should be translating words in every which way so that other people can understand, english is no longer english.
Please translate that to regular English so I can understand what you're talking about.
Quote:Zoners within house space do make a living, primarily from penny.
No one disputed that.
Quote:Infact I have a cruiser docked at erie, and a BW somewhere there.
Zoner caps in a Liberty protectorate system? brb grabbing lib dread.
Quote:I'm here long enough to remember living zoners in bering>texas, yukon>colorado, honshu>chogoku, penny>cali.
There's never been a time where zoners haven't been in house space. No one's saying they can't be in house space.
Quote:It appears that Drobbe can sanction on little things such as trolling, when one simply expresses his opinion, or his massive sanctions towards people with "sig-trolling" - but when im being sigged its as if everyone is looking down at the floor.
One: Finn isn't an admin. Two: Congratulations on unwrapping the mystery of the conspiracy.
Quote:That's a good example of what you view things and how others view things.
No, it's a good example of why some people should just stop talking about things they don't know enough about.
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