Do you even try to talk or are you one of those that constantly either
a. Gave us abuse
b. Just pew pew then claim we didnt even try.
c. Decided to to try and chat with us, even when the trolls came out to play?
As for the bases, their part of our Lore...not part of mainstream Zoner Lore! hence our differences with what you would claim as 'THE LORE'.
What annoys me is this, you try and break down an arguement or justifying your way is the right way...by what were trying to do is be different, we cant be different?
Tell that to endless people around the world (rl).
Im claiming that ingame your stereotyping people, i think they call that racism!
As for the laughed/ridiculed/insulted, were you one of the one's telling us we should hand over our bases to the Order/Phoenix(one and the same)?
As for this re-write....lets say a working progress...lets say we went quiet for awhile to let things calm down and start a fresh....but people can t let go!
While i will role-play, what can be said for those of you un-willing to even try!
Cant mend bridges with out some give and take! It seems everyone wants us to give in! Wont happen!
So lets work on it and see where we can go with it, please!
(02-20-2014, 12:45 PM)Omicron Wrote: I declare the hunting season open.
Not-so-Zoner Zoner Alliance is fair game to be culled.
The main troll returns! This is a thread for comments on development not for your trolling!
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: Do you even try to talk or are you one of those that constantly either
a. Gave us abuse
b. Just pew pew then claim we didnt even try.
c. Decided to to try and chat with us, even when the trolls came out to play?
I chuckled in the beginning. I did nothing else. I then saw the situation develop and the community being mocked at, the established lore being shoved up one's ass to wipe the fecal matter away with it. At that point, I got annoyed. I still did nothing. I then saw an enormous amount of blatant rule-breaking, poor RP (if any at all) and so on. At this point, I decided to jump into the discussion and try to explain you open heartedly and fair (even friendly) what the hell you guys did wrong. First response by Tel Aviv was "friendly" enough, but consisted of errors in his views on the lore. I tried to educate him. He got aggrevated (which isn't weird to have a response), since he got "verbally attacked" by 10 sides in 1 second. But his replies, either to me or on the forums made me realize, there is no chance him (or the ZA) will be able to listen on the level I was trying to communicate with.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: As for the bases, their part of our Lore...not part of mainstream Zoner Lore! hence our differences with what you would claim as 'THE LORE'.
It's no problem you try to incorporate your bases as to become a part of the Zoner lore, however, if you try to force the ZONER lore (not the ZA or the ZA PObs, but the vanilla Freelancer and continued Disco lore) into something that isn't the Zoner way/lore AT ALL, you bet ya I'll comment on it.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: What annoys me is this, you try and break down an arguement or justifying your way is the right way...by what were trying to do is be different, we cant be different?
I applaud being different. If not, it would be a -very- boring world. Different is good. However different by powergaming a existing lore is NOT GOOD.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: Im claiming that ingame your stereotyping people, i think they call that racism!
One thing, action = reaction.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: As for the laughed/ridiculed/insulted, were you one of the one's telling us we should hand over our bases to the Order/Phoenix(one and the same)?
Don't mistake my avatar for being another person. I have no recollection of EVER saying such a thing. Perhaps Altejago did say something like this (also I'm not sure on that, and to be fair can't be bothered searching that). Why I
'm telling this? I carry the same exact avatar as Altejago because it's my Alte-4-admin '14 '"support bumper sticker".
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: As for this re-write....lets say a working progress...lets say we went quiet for awhile to let things calm down and start a fresh....but people can t let go!
Okay. Work in progress. Hence why I'm posting, to try and prevent you lot from making the same mistake over and over. But frankly, I've lost ALL hope you will ever learn and would just advice at this point you ALL get out and either create a different server or uninstall Freelancer.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: While i will role-play, what can be said for those of you un-willing to even try!
Heh. Yeah, we don't RP, we at war.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: Cant mend bridges with out some give and take! It seems everyone wants us to give in! Wont happen!
I've given in more than I wanted and received nothing back. Indeed, you guys won't happen.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: So lets work on it and see where we can go with it, please!
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: Ok so lets see, when role playing can i ask....
Im claiming that ingame your stereotyping people, i think they call that racism!
Zoner racism, is that some other crazy idea the ZA has invented?
You know, when I first read "Zoner Alliance > Information Rewrite - 821", for a few seconds I had the hope you guys would have learned from your mistakes and try a serious and fresh restart as zoner faction.
Tel`s information text has proven me wrong. This is not a rewrite and restart, this is just a continuing of where you last stopped. Nothing more, nothing less. And when the others in here already tried to teach you just showed us you are not even willing to learn at all.
*sighes* Well, can only say "IT`S THAT TIME OF A YEAR AGAIN!"
(02-20-2014, 12:45 PM)Omicron Wrote: I declare the hunting season open.
Not-so-Zoner Zoner Alliance is fair game to be culled.
And there I was about to sell one of our 141| caps that I thougth would be of no use anymore...Seems like that one will get some activity again...
Just to annoy a bit more, Its not me who actually wrote it - but I do like the way it is written, It goes without saying that because of the lastest comments , it proves that it is infact good. You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: While i will role-play, what can be said for those of you un-willing to even try!
Man! I tried to RP with you lot. We exchanged forum messages, I was far as even log my fighter to defend Freeport 9 when you guys were fighting there with some freelancer hunters. You guys RP'ed for like 5 seconds until you realised I would not enter the fight, just wanted you guys to fight out of the NFZ, so the RP (if ever existed) stoped and the pew started.
That was the maximum of RP I could get out of you. You went along while you thought I was going to 'fight for the zoner freedom'... When you realised I was not going to defend you, you did not even bother to answer me anymore. That was the day I just decided to avoyd you guys.
So, care for an advice from someone that really tried to RP with you? Forget this stuff of "leading all zoner militia" to create a "navy force like the house's" or whatever way you wrote it. You can even be a militaristic group if you want, but zoners would never unite under a militaristic administration, not in a million years.
Understand that. Or you are not zoners.
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P.S.: You forgot to mention in your text your 50 thousand marines, and you infinite fleet of Nephilims coming one after the other and being blown out of the sky like dozens of times in a row.
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Just to annoy a bit more, Its not me who actually wrote it - but I do like the way it is written, It goes without saying that because of the lastest comments , it proves that it is infact good. You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
So in Tel-Aviv world, when there's mass negative feedback you just disregard it and assume that you're right any everyone's wrong?
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
Alright, we'll all get use to your cancerous lore. Again. And the caps fleet which everyone hates. Again.
So, the Zoner Alliance is giving the community the middle finger, how will people react?
(02-20-2014, 12:50 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote: While i will role-play, what can be said for those of you un-willing to even try!
Man! I tried to RP with you lot. We exchanged forum messages, I was far as even log my fighter to defend Freeport 9 when you guys were fighting there with some freelancer hunters. You guys RP'ed for like 5 seconds until you realised I would not enter the fight, just wanted you guys to fight out of the NFZ, so the RP (if ever existed) stoped and the pew started.
That was the maximum of RP I could get out of you. You went along while you thought I was going to 'fight for the zoner freedom'... When you realised I was not going to defend you, you did not even bother to answer me anymore. That was the day I just decided to avoyd you guys.
So, care for an advice from someone that really tried to RP with you? Forget this stuff of "leading all zoner militia" to create a "navy force like the house's" or whatever way you wrote it. You can even be a militaristic group if you want, but zoners would never unite under a militaristic administration, not in a million years.
Understand that. Or you are not zoners.
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P.S.: You forgot to mention in your text your 50 thousand marines, and you infinite fleet of Nephilims coming one after the other and being blown out of the sky like dozens of times in a row.
The point is not to achieve this, it will never happend, but thats the original stated goal - not harrasing anyone. As of the information suggests, we do not speak to anyone but ourselves, This is a mere attempt to make sense of the zoner lore - with discovery zoner lore, and a possible za lore. If it makes the others happy or not I do not care, I only care that those who play it can enjoy it without actually being pointed at because of a few "veterans" who dont even know they are being laughed.