I wish to stress, that Gytrash posted this with endorsement and support from TAZ, Phoenix and OSI. He has put a tremendous amount of time into the first posts, trying to adress all issues and call B*llsh*t on every single reason both explicit and implied.
It is to say that all official Zoner factions, will have to tremendously alter their RP if the capships are turned into Transporters. TAZ did, in that
Therefore, calling Gytrash an attention whore (implied), is not only insulting him but all Zoner Factions, in whoms name this thread was created.
Lastly: Argumentum ad Hominem, shows that people know that they have lost the intellectual battle and are trying to escalate it into an emotional one. On that part: congratulation devs. You've angered now two people I, and the Zoner community, hold in the highest of all regards to a point, where they stopped caring about being excellent to one another.
You've spat in the face of all people who have zoner chars, repeatedly. We present you with over thirty pages of reasons why not to implement the change, and in skype one dev had the audacity, the missing eyesight, or missing intellect to not see enough reasons to oppose the change.
In conclusion: Yes this attention seeking, but not from Gytrash but from all the official and unofficial Zoner factions.
Alright then, I'll take this up from the TAZ perspective.
We have RP'd Cap ships as a showy deterrent in the defense of Baffin pretty much forever, this seems all pretty reasonable to me given our geography in Sirius, and my understanding is that long hard run RP has an influence on game outcomes, provided it is sensible in the overall context of the game. So we have Caps, the Aquilon is even manufactured on Pueblo Bonito, a TAZ Base.
So now we are in an established position, all of a sudden, someone has the idea to take away our Caps and completely undermine our past RP without any real thought or consultation.
So, if this change goes ahead as "planned" are we expected to undo all of our previous RP? The practical implications are huge, to first of all deconstruct past RP and then reconstruct it in some way. And how would this change be implemented and materialize given all of the historical use of Cap ships by our Faction? It will look plain daft to wake up one morning and find all the Cap ships have been vaporized and mysteriously replaced by transports.
This change is ill conceived, poorly thought through and thoroughly depressing to those of us who have taken great care with these ships. To claim that this is game development is very strange, can anyone explain how this is development please?
Wow, just wow. Ty Gytrash. I really love how you broke down Jinx's poll there, very pro.
Theres a lot to process here, and I think a few inRP/ooRP facts need to be established before anyone can go slicing and dicing up the zoner fleet and putting the pieces back together in the form for a bunch of battle transports.
1. What is the actual population of Zoners trans-Sirius?
2. How that relates to other factions/houses in actual fleet needs.
3. Is there really anything left to colonize? Dose the Neph really need to exsist in that roll?
4. Take a look at the Aqulion info-card. It clearly says 'Millitary vessel'. Who wrote that? Why now all of a sudden do Zoners not need to have vessels that can fill such a roll?
Let me also give a taste of my opinion on the neph and other zoner caps.. Personally, I don't own one. Why? I'm security leader for the group (Shared with Necroth). Therefore I fly a 'Military Cap'. Others in the faction own them, and I'm not sure when the last time I saw a (\^/) tagged Neph actually doing something. So it seems the ship may actually outlived its purpose, IMO. However, that doesn't mean we don't need a few large BS sometimes. The only Nephs I see every are owned by indy zoners who usually do BHG missions in Delta. I hate seeing that. Terrible for RP. I want those ships gone. Do Zoners need a military? Yes. Do we need 498 lolcaps with no real affiliation or RP behind them? No. Does the Nephilem RP need to change? YES! And are 3 Zoner BS's scattered throughout the galaxy enough? No.
I don't pretend to have the whole solution, but I would like to see something like what the Nomads/K'hara have. Cruisers and bigger restricted to officials. That was a great Idea. Nephs/Zoner BS by SRP only. And start by giving 3-4 to each official. If more are legitimately needed later, that can be looked at. 10-15 BS's for all Zoners everywhere seems a little better than 3. There are other things, but I have classes to go teach now. So ill come back in a few hours and argue about it some more I suppose. *sigh* But in the end I just want the same for zoners that nomads get. I think most would agree.
Once again ty Gytrash, I thought your superpost summed things up not too badly.
And this is my own opinion, I'll leave it to RedEclipse to post for the faction. But I think it will be pretty close to my own opinion.
Edit: As for aqilion, leave as carrier and primary millitary vessel. Still sold at livadia, but 90% nerf to non phoenix or taz ids (others may be added) and yes, zoner frigate/battletransport for generics. As for crusiers.... I don't know. Too many non zoners own them, that's an issue.
Also... if the reader needs me to clairify, I am implying that Phoenix and TAZ would be the likley responders to any threat to a COF freeport.
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