The only issue with the POB as far as i can see is the HF complaint, it has no weapons. So really its not an issue, its been made an issue by those that wernt there in the first place to meet and greet us.
(03-30-2014, 12:08 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: The only issue with the POB as far as i can see is the HF complaint, it has no weapons. So really its not an issue, its been made an issue by those that wernt there in the first place to meet and greet us.
The issues with your POB have already been explained:
(03-30-2014, 11:13 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: ...
It's not simply about neutrality or how they relate to newcomers, you forget the significance of your PoB. That certain individual has a history of showing the community how PoBs can be abused quite effectively, and that created a Pavlovian conditioning in the people, everyone who knows the story of ZA, that when they see a PoB next to a jumphole an inner alarm shouts in their brains that it is most probably to block that gateway between those systems. Why do people assume this? Because people better assume the worst if they want to survive, and also because there was already a precedent for that. Why were HF acting so harsh against you? Because in case you really turn out to be trolls and later block that jumphole with your PoB, they won't be able to act by then, so they had to act now. Swiftly. They didn't deny you to have a base in the system, they denied you to have it right next to a jumphole, where it can be potentially abused. It's not against your persons, it's a safety mechanism paired with their lack of knowledge about you, given you are the new guys there.
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As has always been the case in Discovery, it is not the job of older players to go looking for new players / factions to greet them and roll out the red carpet. If you want to find out about the existing status quo, it's your responsibility to investigate.
(03-29-2014, 09:07 AM)daniyalcooldude Wrote: You're already laying claims to the Vespucci system, which we don't like, the system is Hellfire, so it remains hellfire.
Im going to say this, we will not restrict access to any HF, Xeno or trade vessel!
If you guys go official, then great!! IF we do, great! If we both do, Great!
But what i want to say is this, we will bring life to the area and hopefully have some fun in the process.
Thats all i want, getting angry over this and that wont make either of our group's want to play.
Infact you will prob find it go dead once again...just let me work on this and then when iv finished. I'll send out a call to everyone to look at the great works i have achieved...maybe sign afew autographs..do a tour...write a book...
was that read? No..oh i think people keep making assumptions!
EDIT: the status Quo was this, i researched and the HF disbanded(fact) so no, i must of not researched??? Look i love comments but in all, do you think for one second i didnt research then sadly your wrong. I looked at posts, threads, who posted, researched those individuals, no i didnt contact them! why would i? They gave up on HF!! They have numerous groups to lead already if you look at them all. Before anyone says it, their in the same skype clan...and no i didnt bother with trying to join them just to beg for the chance to begin the DW in Vesp.
(03-30-2014, 12:23 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Yes i took note but as i already said
(03-29-2014, 09:19 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote:
(03-29-2014, 09:07 AM)daniyalcooldude Wrote: You're already laying claims to the Vespucci system, which we don't like, the system is Hellfire, so it remains hellfire.
Im going to say this, we will not restrict access to any HF, Xeno or trade vessel!
If you guys go official, then great!! IF we do, great! If we both do, Great!
But what i want to say is this, we will bring life to the area and hopefully have some fun in the process.
Thats all i want, getting angry over this and that wont make either of our group's want to play.
Infact you will prob find it go dead once again...just let me work on this and then when iv finished. I'll send out a call to everyone to look at the great works i have achieved...maybe sign afew autographs..do a tour...write a book...
was that read? No..oh i think people keep making assumptions!
You fail to realise that what you have just said is not the issue of concern being discussed.
It's not an issue that the base is open to all HF and Xenos ships (in fact, that would be mandatory either way, or you'd be in trouble inrp). The problems are:
1) The location.
2) The fact that you failed to contact the rest of HF before building it.
(03-30-2014, 12:08 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: The only issue with the POB as far as i can see is the HF complaint, it has no weapons. So really its not an issue, its been made an issue by those that wernt there in the first place to meet and greet us.
Dude, and you are saying I don't read your posts? Come on, how basic level of English is required for you to understand? If Echo's last post wouldn't be simple enough, I don't think anything could be...
Ok lets see who was there to contact? Please tell me? If any of the current HF claim that i should have contacted them...*laughs*...then bang down they go...because they only reformed afew days ago.
(03-30-2014, 12:39 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: There is nothing easier than that to find out. Post a thread in Comms Channel addressed to HF leadership and see who responds.
Yes but then what would i have got lets see...nothing...as they were disbanded..ill use this as an example click on it.
The faction restarted recruiting on the 27th March.
when did i move upto Vesp, Febuary...what level is the base lvl1 but it only need one item to make it level 2, even with the changes it still takes time to build. So really it being there since Febuary and only getting noticed after this amount of time by HF or anyone for that matter is silly.
The only thing it shows me is that daniyal posted something in there and changed his mind, withdrawing that in 2 minutes. I am no mod or admin to be able to check what he originally posted, and I neither think you are.
(03-30-2014, 12:33 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Ok lets see who was there to contact? Please tell me? If any of the current HF claim that i should have contacted them...*laughs*...then bang down they go...because they only reformed afew days ago.
Then evidently you didn't see this thread: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=106296
Look at the date on the OP. That's after the date when the [HF] player faction disbanded and rescinded their Official status, but many months before Dark Wing even existed. Just because the "new" [HF]'s recruitment was closed does not mean that the player faction ceased to exist.
You seem to be working off a poorly drawn conclusion based on assumptions, not facts. A bigger question that I don't believe has been asked yet is "Why didn't you ask for clarification on the forums?"
Your personal / factional superiority complex is not endearing you to anyone here, least of all the other HF players. Perhaps you would like to get off your high horse and consider, for a moment, that you might not be right. Perhaps there is no one true "right answer" either, but you could start by trying work in a cooperative manner with the [HF] players. This arrogant antagonism is totally purposeless.
P.S.: You should also find a representative for the faction who is capable of managing and responding to criticism in a mature manner, as opposed to someone who dismisses it as flaming or trolling simply because he doesn't like what is being said.
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