Announcement Regarding Rule 1.2

[St.Denis]

I find nothing wrong with this announcement.

I think it has laid the Ground Rules quite well with some suggested/actual scenarios.

If you are one of the majority of the Players that abide within the rules I, personally, cannot see why anybody should be worried. For those who suggest that they are the enemies of the Admins the question then comes - why?

A host enjoys having guests within his domain, but the Host shouldn't need to explain the rules to each and every Guest that turns up. The Guests all should be able to work within an acceptable framework of behavior and not trying to see what the Host won't accept. A Guest's responsibility should be that they are on their best behavior at all times. A Host has the right, if he sees a disruptive Guest, to require them to leave their Domain without any explanation. This happens in all walks of Life.

I do believe that the the quote below covers what the Admins require from us and also what they would like to achieve:

Our hope is to create a positive, fun environment that will draw people to the community, not have them leaving in disgust. The Staff cannot do this alone however. We need each and every one of you to do your part. By playing with a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship, you can help make this a place that will be welcome and inviting to both new and old players alike. We encourage you to be mindful of Rule 1.2.

Is it too hard for us to do our part and not push at the boundaries set by the other Rules?

As far as I know the Admins allow people to discuss/ask for the evidence/explanation which generally seems to be a check that is in place. There have been instances of reversals of decisions. If the Admins aren't seen to act impartial, when looking at the evidence, they will find that nobody will play and then they will have nothing to do. So I believe that they will try to be fair at all times.

At the end of the day nobody is forcing anybody to play on this Server. If people don't like the Rules then they are free to go somewhere else.
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'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are'
Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person

[Papa Oomaumau]

@nooblet: If this was to end into a massive wave of abusive bans from the admins, the only thing that would happen is that people would wander off. There is nothing this "announcement" covers that isn't already covered by the infamous 0.0 rule.

This announcement appears to me as nothing else but a warning to some players that they will now be dealt with. Will it change anything for the common user? I sort of doubt that.

This, exactly.
There have been no 'new powers' announced here, this is nothing that the Admin staff hasn't had the power to do since day one.
They have just decided to put some players on notice over it.

Because yes, unless you really can't see past your own nose and can't imagine a type of play other than your own, this should be very clear; the type of behavior described HAS affected the player base, and mature, decent, and considerate players HAVE left over it.

Cheers admin staff! - not to be a bottle of vinegar and water over it, but it's really about time.
Thanks!

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[n00bl3t]

@nooblet: If this was to end into a massive wave of abusive bans from the admins, the only thing that would happen is that people would wander off. There is nothing this "announcement" covers that isn't already covered by the infamous 0.0 rule.

This announcement appears to me as nothing else but a warning to some players that they will now be dealt with. Will it change anything for the common user? I sort of doubt that.

The existence of a power and the use of it are different. The widespread and common use of a power which has not been used frequently is different. There's practically no point in having rules if you can simply quote 1.2 and do whatever you want. It's redundant.

I've already expanded upon what I intended to say in my previous post. Blind trust is also not given in all walks of life.

Noted. (To remember this thread.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Mímir]

I for one think that the rule hasn't been enforced very well, for at least since...
...well, 2008, really.

Seems to me the only people with a real concern over being caught in the crosshairs on this already kinda know they are.
If this forces the immature and inconsiderate to check their behavior, even a little, I'm all for it.
Much of my own absence from the server is due to unchecked trolling and my desire to avoid it.
Heck, if this actually gets enforced, I might log in more.

+1 ^ This. And I'll repeat myself:

Again....rule clarifications like this will affect no-change in players who already play the game fairly and by the rules. It only effects those who try to skirt them or ignore them outright.

That is so naïve, sorry. For that to be true, we'd all have to be the same. What if a person with no real conscience does a whole lot of bad stuff and never feel guilty? What if an overly concerned person does something that isn't really "bad", but feel guilty?

From my personal experience I've done stuff that I thought was fairly "bad", when I checked with an admin he was like "ok?" and didn't see it as anything special; whereas I know people that have been sanctioned and have no clue for what they are really getting sanctioned for and thus feel neither guilt nor remorse.

We are not all the same, so the argument in Papa's quote isn't applicable whatsoever. -1

The only negative comments I'd expect to see here were from those who either knew they were doing something wrong or from the fact it impacted on the gameplay of meta gaming.

Oh wow, thanks a lot for judging everone with an opinion different than your own. How so? What have I done wrong?

I think it would have been better if admins had kept this "friendly reminder" as an internal memo instead of creating paranoia and distrust. I bet this will also lead to some of the self-serving and self-important players we've got here feeling like they have a certain right, and they're gonna go (even more) ballistic in PM's and // chat; that's my expectation.

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[Mímir]

Well to be frank, I have been running a one-man siege killing off a truckload of traders each time they log. I think that's just fine, but it might create some butthurt. That butthurt might theoretically evolve to tears, and those tears might tug the heartstrings of some admin that thinks he has the full picture and goes on a whiteknighting spree. And then I might get hit with the hammer. Before that, I was running a more or less solo-campaign against the 27th, and before that I was on the RNC side against [LN]/LNS and witnessed how several admins were unbelievably biased. I don't know any of the current admins, but rumour has it that the current team is more chummy than those of the past, and thus less balanced. I would not be surprised, but I don't know. In the light of that, the above statement of "our word is the law, and we'll mess you up even without a shred of evidence" is sketchy.

This thought I will have every time I log in. On the other hand it is my firm belief that I am doing the server a service by playing the antagonist, because if we all do the same activity, there is no reason to play. So yes, I feel guilty for playing douchebag characters, but on the other hand I think someone needs to do it. And also I think a lot of the power-hungry, money-grubbing, base-supplying power-traders are really detrimental to gameplay, but the post above makes it clear that these aren't the intended targets for this "reminder".

To sum it up: I have no clue if I am on an "obsevation list" for bad behaviour or not; but after the statement I expect a purge of sorts, and then I start to worry. Perhaps I worry for no reason at all, perhaps admins think I am playing the game the way it is meant to be played, but I don't know. Now I am just paranoid, perhaps for no reason at all, thanks to the "reminder". It was a foolish thing to post (ps. for any Scandinavians, what happened this weekend with PST/Norway is a pretty good example of why it is a terrible idea to go public with something that is meant to stay behind closed doors).

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[St.Denis]

Well to be frank, I have been running a one-man siege killing off a truckload of traders each time they log. I think that's just fine, but it might create some butthurt. That butthurt might theoretically evolve to tears, and those tears might tug the heartstrings of some admin that thinks he has the full picture and goes on a whiteknighting spree. And then I might get hit with the hammer. Before that, I was running a more or less solo-campaign against the 27th, and before that I was on the RNC side against [LN]/LNS and witnessed how several admins were unbelievably biased. I don't know any of the current admins, but rumour has it that the current team is more chummy than those of the past, and thus less balanced. I would not be surprised, but I don't know. In the light of that, the above statement of "our word is the law, and we'll mess you up even without a shred of evidence" is sketchy.

This thought I will have every time I log in. On the other hand it is my firm belief that I am doing the server a service by playing the antagonist, because if we all do the same activity, there is no reason to play. So yes, I feel guilty for playing douchebag characters, but on the other hand I think someone needs to do it. And also I think a lot of the power-hungry, money-grubbing, base-supplying power-traders are really detrimental to gameplay, but the post above makes it clear that these aren't the intended targets for this "reminder".

There is the main problem, highlighted in green, you are exclusively killing, in your words, certain Traders every time they log. Isn't this a bit excessive? Attacking them every now and then would be perceived as within normal Gameplay, but doing it everytime they log just shows that you do what you want be have little regard for the enjoyment of the others.

And also I think a lot of the power-hungry, money-grubbing, base-supplying power-traders are really detrimental to gameplay

How are these people, and I assume they are grouped together, detrimental to Gameplay?

I take it you dislike Base Builders and the people who RP around their Bases. And somehow you have decided to go on a one man crusade to put all the perceived wrongs right. This Game is for multiple people to enjoy and not just one person or a small group's gratification at the expense of others.

Not everyone is interested in shooting others and if that is all you are interested in then there are others that enjoy that side only. So why don't you go and play with them?

Your second paragraph just seems your way of justifying it to a) yourself and b) others. I just feel the need to let you know, and I am sure others feel the same, that you don't have to do this for me as I could enjoy the Game just as well, or even more so, if you didn't go on this one man Crusade.

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'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are'
Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person

[Marburg]

Mimir, you should try to lighten up...seriously. You have this specific paranoid narrative already built up in your brain that is based up on nothing but assumptions.

It really is as simple as this: If the role of the character is to be a douchebag, then proudly play a douchebag. If you feel guilt about it & only do it to help the server from "power-hungry, money-grubbing, base-supplying power-traders" that you deem are detrimental to gameplay, then you're doing & thinking it wrong.

It's not your place to put the weight of the server on your shoulders, & it seems you have some trouble separating character knowledge from player knowledge. You really should rethink the logic of why you do what you do & the reason it's making you paranoid

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[Omicron]

"Give me a man, and I'll find paragraph."

~ Andrzej Wyszyński, Procurator General of the Soviet Union to Joseph Stalin

...Except we dont even need paragraph here anymore.

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[Doria]

You guys are all exagerating something that's pretty simple. It says "Trolling or harassing other members...". It's a common behaviour (unfortunately) that we all have seen often. But up until now you needed to have screenshots of several ocasions, and pehaps post several reports before a sanction would appear. Now they will speed up the process of such reports, and perhaps seek evidence in the server logs to prove more quickly if that is really happening or not. So really just a change on how the sanctions are processed, not a change in any rules.

By the way, the kind of fearmongering I've seen in this thread is another thing that, in my humble opinion, is "detrimental to the disco community"...


I say: way to go, badmins!

[Marburg]

"There's a sucker born every minute"

~ P.T. Barnum, founder of the Barnum & Bailey Circus

We don't even need one liners to support underthought of the issue here either, when you get right down to it

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