New thread: Nerf missiles (or missile count)

[Omicron]

Dont nerf missiles - they are great equalizer while not replacing skill entirely. A PvP pro dodging more than efficiently a 6 not so skilled players is a situation where missiles come in handy. Make them slightly more hyperlethal on expense of lower missile count - making it more limited and tactical decision to when apply said advantage.

I would also suggest making missile-only slot on all HF/VHF's that will not make ship loadouts assymetrical. Ironically, not only missiles increase my damage output and usefulness in battle by lot - one less guns helps me offset poorer energy management with more powerful weapons... now that is something that was not taken into account during balance. You could say I could switch 1-2 guns off when needed but who does that?

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[Haste]

would you agree that somebody who is getting targeted by half a dozen snubs at the same time should survive for longer than a bunch of minutes?

Yes. And they will. The problem right now however is that they're going to be dying to their missiles alone - and the missiles will be by far the largest damage dealer (not by a small margin - they're likely to be doing 80-90% of total DPS of those 6 players) while only using six slots out of the ~30-36 extra gun slots available to those players.

In other words, 1/6th of the weapons are doing 6/1th the damage. That indicates these weapons are improperly damaged.

I know these are random statistics, but you'll find that in actual fights they're quite accurate. Try it sometime.

That after the enemy 6 players are missiled to death, the missiles are out of ammo, hardly matters. If there's one last player remaining, it's not like you need that one gun on your six remaining ships to kill them.

IMO, the correct way to go about rebalancing snub combat is to find a means to make aiming guns take less than a thousand hours of conn practice, while making missiles far less potent. The skill curve is a bit steep right now for effective gun use. I'd like to see the game easier to learn, and just as hard to master. However, I don't like largely skill-free or easy-to-master weapons being by far the largest factor in fights.

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[Fluffyball]

I cannot shoot down any ship with only guns. I just can't. I suck that bad with guns. That's why I use Sidewinder. And I spam Nukes. And then I started winning fights. I enjoy winning them as long as those were close fights.

I do not enjoy being missile spammed by more than 3 ships when I have ZERO chance of fighting back or even escaping.

Being bad with guns, I can still claim that missiles are ruining the fun for more people than they grant fun.

And to those who are defending how missiles are OK, I challenge you to participate in group fight where your foes use missiles and you don't. Only then will you understand the extent of missile damage to interactons.

*Points out an example from conn*
Enemy fighter: AU8, all guns.
Me: AU8, guns + sidewinder.

Fight 1: Close combat, missile is useless as other fighter is just flying around me, close, and I can't get a lock on. I get killed in the process.

Fight 2: Test of damage 1K-away onto ummoving target, fired 6 sidewinders. 2 were used onto shield (1 full, 1 regen, 4 were used to kill the hull.

Fight 3: Test of damage 1K-away onto no-firing jinking around target, fired 18 sidewinders, 3 went for shield (1 full, two regens), 4 were used to kill the hull, rest didn't connect.

Yet you want to nerf that because you say even a noob can use them for that advantage (did I really had advantage here?)
ARE YOU SERIOUS?

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[SnakThree]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

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[Fluffyball]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smart guy That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

Ever.

Also, even without missiles, 5vs1 will ALWAYS lead the more numerous side to win, for your information. Don't even dare to try to make false argument about to nerf missiles here.

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[SnakThree]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smartdonkey. That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

Ever.

Firstly, how are Gunboat missiles relevant to this thread at all?

Secondly, I have seen smart people using smart loadouts to smartly shoot down snubs. Instantly. By using three missiles. At once.

And lastly, learn to play first, then come back with your arguments.

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[Fluffyball]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smartdonkey. That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

Ever.

Firstly, how are Gunboat missiles relevant to this thread at all?

Secondly, I have seen smart people using smart loadouts to smartly shoot down snubs. Instantly. By using three missiles. At once.

And lastly, learn to play first, then come back with your arguments.

I have already said that group will always win against one. You are making falsely based proof here.

About the last line, I won't comment it, smartass. You act like you were effing GOD of pvp. This is the attitude I hate, towards new players and other less-skilled players. No wonder that people are not joining, because of pathetic attitude to the new pvp players from some old players. You threat them like crap.

I am done here. I don't want to be part of this farce. Not anymore.

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[SnakThree]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smartdonkey. That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

Ever.

Firstly, how are Gunboat missiles relevant to this thread at all?

Secondly, I have seen smart people using smart loadouts to smartly shoot down snubs. Instantly. By using three missiles. At once.

And lastly, learn to play first, then come back with your arguments.

I have already said that group will always win against one. You are making falsely based proof here.

About the last line, I won't comment it, smartass. You act like you were effing GOD of pvp. This is the attitude I hate, towards new players and other less-skilled players.

If you read my comment, I admited how bad I am using guns. I am not ashamed that I suck hard using them.

You however, barge in here, give totally useless argument based on Conn experience, try to change topic toward Gunboats missiles and then you are claiming that I use false proof. I have not presented any proof. I told you to try and fight IN a GROUPFIGHT where YOU do NOT use missiles, but your opponents do. Then you will understand how harsh missile spam is and how quickly it puts down enemy and puts off his wish to fight again.

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[t0l]

I told to face against missiles in group fight, not by simply shooting them at shielded opponent. Shows how far you are from even grasping the surface of the topic.

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smart guy That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

Wrong.

Ask anyone who's ever been on the opposing side of/flying in =LSF=/DSE gunboat swarms.

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[Omi]

Try fighting in a gunboat with a gunboat missile launcher, smart guy. That's the most useless and most nerfed weapon.

Ever.

HAHAHAHAHAAH

paging Impy

come in Impy

Seriously, though. You have no idea what you're talking about, mate. That tiny little section says it all.

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