(11-28-2014, 05:25 AM)VoluptaBox Wrote: No it's not. Simply because you cannot physically stop one from docking. The guy can simply ignore you and dock. Then what?
Frankly, it's terribly OORP too. FR5 is the only solution.
so cant everyone else?
so cant a lawful and a pirate.
you snooze you loose.
Smuggler won that round. Why be a sore loser and try to still win? Just move on?
Have we really become THAT serious about the game?
Do you really not see how ridiculous that statement is? The point of the server is interaction and roleplay.
The police officer's roleplay would be to arrest or fine the smuggler. The smuggler's is to avoid that. However, he can just straight up ignore the officer and dock. Then what?
The officer can't deny him docking rights, even though it would make sense IRP. And he can't even shoot him down. Takes too long.
That's a very one sided affair and hardly interaction. If anything, "you snooze you lose" should be applied to the smuggler. You got caught red-handed, deal with the consequences.
If the smuggler docks, despite being ordered not to, he pisses off the player behind the police ship. And a pissed off player will hit you with the FR5 club via sanction report, so even an indie Navy/Police ID can get you FR5ed from the complete lawful House factions.
So basically:
"Oh HE PISSED ME OFF! Rules are still followed but he did! I will FR5 scanction him 'cuz i lost!"
vs.
Pirate: Darn he docked... and he pissed me off with not talking at all...
Seems to me you just think FR5ing is just sore-loser revenge.
Not really "sore loser revenge".
There is no challenge.
There is no competition.
There is no way a police ships can stop a competent smuggler transport.
The police can say "Do not dock. Docking is locked for you". He would be able to do that in reality to a lawful base.
If you dock then, you get FR5ed for breaking 1.3. Has been that way forever.
I agree that it is a highly silly situation and that's why I stopped hunting smuggler. It is stupid and I do not want to waste my time with writing FR5 requests because people do not understand that "I managed to dock! I win!" would not work in reality, and that furthermore there is no risk and no achievement in most of the smuggling.
Therefore a buff of smuggling prices/profit margins is completely out of the question.
A solo activity that is dirt-cheap in its execution (just lanes in large ship), practically 100 % safe when done correctly, and which consciously avoids interaction (and thus adds nothing to a multi-player game) does not deserve any buffs, nor special attention from dev-side.
Sounds harsh.
But the "risk" you talk about is practically non-existent in reality.
Would it be possible to make planets (not docking rings) dockable for freighters and below? Give (some?) planets a neutral IFF.
That way cops can have FR5 rights over docking rings and stations, and smugglers can illegally enter the atmosphere of planets using smaller ships. Both get something, and if it is limited to only freighters and smaller ships it won't tip trading balance
Change planetary IFFs away from cop IFFs. A planet is not a police base anyway? Doesn't make sence.
@everyone else
When you FR5 you remove the possibility for the smuggler to try again. Its a game so it makes sence. Its fun for both sides. It is just some people take things a little bit too serious when they cant manage to stop a smuggler in time.
Yes FR5 stops silent traders but I think it should only be used as that. DONT punish the successful smuggler that RPs well too.
(11-28-2014, 03:52 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Change planetary IFFs away from cop IFFs. A planet is not a police base anyway? Doesn't make sence.
@everyone else
When you FR5 you remove the possibility for the smuggler to try again. Its a game so it makes sence. Its fun for both sides. It is just some people take things a little bit too serious when they cant manage to stop a smuggler in time.
Yes FR5 stops silent traders but I think it should only be used as that. DONT punish the successful smuggler that RPs well too.
(11-28-2014, 03:52 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Change planetary IFFs away from cop IFFs. A planet is not a police base anyway? Doesn't make sence.
@everyone else
When you FR5 you remove the possibility for the smuggler to try again. Its a game so it makes sence. Its fun for both sides. It is just some people take things a little bit too serious when they cant manage to stop a smuggler in time.
Yes FR5 stops silent traders but I think it should only be used as that. DONT punish the successful smuggler that RPs well too.
It's really easy, Nomnom: Do not dock at any lawful station once you were caught by a police/navy. If you do, despite being told not to, you likely go down via FR5. Surrender, accept your fine, likely lose your cargo. And you can try again the next time. If you hit thrust, watch the guy rp while you exploit him being busy to get close to the dock, you have to expect the FR5.
As the chances in this very one-sided interaction for lawfuls are very slim, they will unlikely just accept "defeat", if they never had a chance. Having to make a demand and having to type 2 lines, while screenshotting to be safe against report... not even experienced players get that right, and let's not even get into how far a well-armored transport can run even under fire and make it to dock safely.
Imagine the situation of docking at a police-IFF planet like... a bank robber that runs from the police and therefore tries to hide in a... police station.
And Planets have to have Police IFF so that unlawfuls cannot dock there. It's - gameplay-wise - necessary because experience has shown that if unlawfuls can dock at main planets (which are the high selling locations), they e.g. pirate people 1 lane before the max selling point and sell there then - something that would hardly happen in reality. Furthermore it would even increase all the oorp docking, as now not only a few smuggler IDs can dock there, but everybody. And everybody would.
Try intercepting smugglers. You'll be disappointed.
I know you really roleplay smuggling and you are definitely the exception. Still, you'll likely get the same treatment due to the large majority of bad smugglers.
Its just the fact that because of "bad smugglers" it can really limit what your RP is like when smuggling.
You cant run away or gg a cop will be angry and due to current rules can file a sanction on your arse and done, the smuggler looses the ship they created for the purpose of the smuggling route.
So what? No cop then will not be butt-hurt if you play some cop chase game with him for a little?
Wait, can you fix the ship's rep once it has been FR5ed? I don't think so...
As long as the other side enjoys the interaction, I doubt there will be FR5s via 1.3. sanction. But the fun abruptly ends for me every time when I see e.g. a Junker that has Cardamine dock at Java after I told him not to. That's every time a FR5 because it is just wrong. And the LPI feels the same, when he catches a smuggler and he docks at Hattan.
If you rp, and if you give the player behind the police char a chance and a good roleplay scene, I would assume that everybody can deal with winning or losing. E.g. if you made it to Buffalo or another shady base, no one would FR5 you. It's just that "dock at my own IFF's base as a criminal" that makes people angry.
And no, Snak3. You cannot bribe back rep (in the sense of: you are not allowed). Technically, it is possible to "fix" it, but you can get sanctioned for it. Happened to a few special people in the past.
(11-28-2014, 03:52 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Change planetary IFFs away from cop IFFs. A planet is not a police base anyway? Doesn't make sence.
No, what I am trying to suggest is having two separate IFF's. One for the docking ring, that operates exactly how it does now, and another IFF for the planet - if it is possible to dock with the planet and not just the ring, and only when using freighters and below.
That would mean that even if you've been FR5'ed, you can dock with planets in a smaller ship. In-rp it would be entering atmosphere somewhere unguarded to land outside of space ports to unload smuggled goods. Since it's only for smaller ships, it won't break trade balance.