Oh, it was her. Well, yes, then it's ok. But then it isn't shady enough!;)
That settles it, I guess.
And Mule, being in a fight isn't an excuse for OOC chatter as well.
You can say the same thing in RP, pretty much.
Give it a shot.
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' Wrote:Oh, it was her. Well, yes, then it's ok. But then it isn't shady enough!;)
That settles it, I guess.
And Mule, being in a fight isn't an excuse for OOC chatter as well.
You can say the same thing in RP, pretty much.
Give it a shot.
Not being shady enough depends on the situation, like I said.
Dealing with Outcasts and Corsairs... keep it quiet... dealing with GC or BD can be done so openly for Bretonia, I feel. Also, dealing with Gaians can be done so openly for Kusari, and I imagine that the Liberty government would strongly suggest that they sympathise with the plight of the Bundschuh in the media.
' Wrote:But how do you expect that a regular police officer knows about Brettonia supporting GC?
I mean, it might be a common knowledge, I don't know. But I had a feeling it's still kept under the table.
If it is, then BPA should see them as criminals as well. Maybe RP their arrest, docking on planet, and then BAF gets involved and settles it.
That would make much more sense, with same or better effect.
If I would apply your logic here, a BPA officer wouldn't even know what a GC is. As such, she would be suspicious but not treated directly as a criminal, as long as she decides to respect the police authority. And that's also the usual way we treat them, both Dragons and GC.
As Sleipnir already pointed out, the BPA officer was probably on his way to escort the GC out.
' Wrote:I want to stay in RP at all time's, but thing's like this just confuse me. As a corsair i am supposed to hate hessien's, and Rheinland military. By what i have read here, i would be well in RP to assist the RM in killing a Hessien, or vice versa. Or even land on a rheinland planet? I do not think so. I have seen BPA so out of RP in the last week it is just insane.(being killed, relaunching with a new ship to re-ingage,having ally's they should be at war with,re-ingaging after being killed and so on). I think this should be investigated by the admins, and left to see what they say about it.:rtfm::nono::rtfm:
If you have witnessed any BPA breaking server-rules or behaving ooRP, go and report them! But please, please do not try to make subtle accusations.
I wasn't there at the incident, but from what I've seen here... is it about a GC attacking a corsair? How's that oorp in any sense?
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' Wrote:I want to stay in RP at all time's, but thing's like this just confuse me. As a corsair i am supposed to hate hessien's, and Rheinland military. By what i have read here, i would be well in RP to assist the RM in killing a Hessien, or vice versa. Or even land on a rheinland planet? I do not think so. I have seen BPA so out of RP in the last week it is just insane.(being killed, relaunching with a new ship to re-ingage,having ally's they should be at war with,re-ingaging after being killed and so on). I think this should be investigated by the admins, and left to see what they say about it.:rtfm::nono::rtfm:
Please write me a PM with copies to elgatodiablo, fpsdoug and Nevermore about any incident involving a BPA member, breaking the rules. I haven't seen any of us doing so until now and would like it to stay that way. Otherwise, Nevermore is completely right. Trial by forum is a big no for me.
On topic:
I see Xoria's point as well as chopper's.
Indeed, the QCRF should be the one to speak to. But, in this special case, the GCs informed the BPAs about what they wanted and they even brought a "present" (see here.). In such a case, I think it is completely alright to accept not only the GC's offer, but also a possibility for interesting roleplay.
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Think deeper, people.
The police can only arrest you for breaking the law.
Being a card-carrying member of the GC might be illegal in Kusari, but there is no reason for such a law to be passed in Bretonia. Thus, a GC cannot be "arrested" in Bretonia if all they are doing is passing through or making a legal purchase.
In Bretonia, being a GC is no different than being a Freelancer or Merc : you should be ignored until you break the law. In Kusari, there would obviously be standing orders for a GC's apprehension, but not anywhere else.
I don't think pirates should be pirating outside of their ZOI, but that also means that if they are out of their ZOI on legitimate business, then the lawfuls should not harass them either. We can't have it both ways : unlawfuls can only pirate in their ZOI, but any lawfuls can engage any unlawful anywhere they find them.
If a pirate is out of his ZOI and is not breaking any laws, then he should not be molested. Watched more closely, fine, but not KOS'd.
By the same token, if a KNF shows up in Magellan, The Lane Hackers would take a great interest in his activities, but our response would not be nearly so reflexive as if he was a LSF.
It's in the nuances where the real roleplaying is found, not in the "hotdog! we've got an unlawful from the other side of the galaxy! pwn the scum before he can get back to his territory!"
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I just thought I would make a comment, since it directly regards myself and the GC as a faction.
We did indeed enter Bretonia with the intent on ratifying a treaty, and contacted the BPA as soon as it was possible to do so (aka, as soon as they were online). While we were waiting for one to appear, I travelled to Arranmore base to pick up several supernova cannons to better equip our bombers in the fight against Kusari. We didn't pirate anyone, and the only NPC transport we destroyed was a Samura transport docking near Stokes (which btw, shouldn't even be in Bretonia anyway and hopefully all Kusari civilian vessels will be removed from Bretonia in the next mod update). While the police might not be happy with the small amount of debris, I imagine they would easily have no issues looking the other way as a Samura vessel is destroyed. They are at war, after all. Enemy shipping are legitimate targets, particularly those of a corporation that for all intents and purposes controls the enemy government.
Not long after we had left Arranmore, two BPA came online and I immediately contacted them with my intentions, whereupon we agreed to meet at the Dublin jumphole in New London. After having talked for a few minutes, I handed over two Kusari fleet admirals as a gesture of goodwill towards Bretonia. The Corsairs entered the system at that particular moment and I detailed my fellow GC to accompany the BPA in repelling the Corsairs while I returned to Hokkaido (being sensible, I didn't want to risk the 9 supernova cannons in my hold), as a further gesture of goodwill, which they then did so.
The GC are rather radical extremists and contrary to their actual ID, they aren't pirates but idealistic terrorists (although we still have to "act" like pirates anyway) devoted to women's rights in Kusari at any cost. They see that Bretonia is ruled by a Queen and is also fighting Kusari. While we would like to see Kusari ruled by a femle Kusari Empress, we would still far prefer to see the Queen of Bretonia in charge of Kusari, instead of the Samura/Hogosha-backed sexist male Shogun. We would certainly be guaranteed decent women's rights under a Bretonian female head of state, if nothing else, which is ultimately what the GC want. Thus it is in our best interests to support Bretonia in any way possible.
Even if Bretonia didn't take over Kusari, it could feasibly weaken it for us and our Blood Dragon allies to take over it, which would of course also end the war in both our and Bretonia's favour.
I think the ID infocard's could use a makeover. As is, They are VERY stiff in the the allowances. While this eliminates grey areas, there are a LOT of things that you COULD do that is very much in RP, that the ID does not allow you to. It would appear that they are template-like at the moment. They should be customized for the faction they are about, instead of sounding machine generated.
(Again, this is just my opinion. I, I seem to be a.. uh.. magnet, for flames. Um..... whatever works. Let the flaming, PM shouting, and post count boosting commence...)
((I think when it comes to modifications to discovery factions and NPC groups as a whole, it is best to get people who either try to stay away from factions, or people who are unlikely to be unbiased. Take the ship creation threads. People are ALWAYS trying to come up with reasons why it seems THEIR faction should get a nice looking ship. This situation doesn't really warrant this, but it can't hurt...))
While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs
To clear up some stuff, in Bretonia, you are allowed to carry up to 5 units of Cardamine in your hold without being stopped.
Otherwise, Mule, if you have an issue like this in the future, take it to the sanctions. I see this thread as a cover up for an attack on the BPA and an attempted trial by forum...don't do it, mate.
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Quote:I want to stay in RP at all time's, but thing's like this just confuse me. As a corsair i am supposed to hate hessien's, and Rheinland military. By what i have read here, i would be well in RP to assist the RM in killing a Hessien, or vice versa. Or even land on a rheinland planet? I do not think so. I have seen BPA so out of RP in the last week it is just insane.(being killed, relaunching with a new ship to re-ingage,having ally's they should be at war with,re-ingaging after being killed and so on). I think this should be investigated by the admins, and left to see what they say about it.
Oh god no. This is a completely different circumstance: Corsairs are just enemies of both: they don't have any ideology behind it, they're just in the way. GC and BAF share a common enemy, aren't hostile to each other, and on top of that the GC have an ideological reason to want Bretonia to conquer Kusari (see Kuraine's post).
The thing with Bundschuh teaming with RM is on similar lines: both are patriotic, love their nation, and will defend it to the death (ex: both are hostile to GMG). As a Bundschuh, I'll shoot a Unioner attacking Rheinland civilians without hesitation, and even a Hessian if he doesn't let up when I tell him to. The second that Republican, Daumann, and Kruger are either A) dismantled or B) completely re-arranged, or that the government is overthrown with more worker's rights, all the Bundschuh will likely hand in applications to the RM. GC might do something similar with BAF when/if Kusari is beaten. Corsairs/Hessians/RM? Not so much.
Quote:Otherwise, Mule, if you have an issue like this in the future, take it to the sanctions. I see this thread as a cover up for an attack on the BPA and an attempted trial by forum...don't do it, mate.
no my goal with this thread wasn't to attack the BPA but to find out if such alliances are allowed, and if so, if something similar with the corsairs and KNF could be achieved.
note how the thread is called 'lawful/unlawful alliance' not 'omgz the BPA are cheaters'
Quote:You complained on the server, you complained in the first post of this thread, and you complained yet again about having your method of complaint described as unjustified. Give it a rest.
What's with the hostility Xoria? I apologized to you in game, I'm not saying the OOC spam was right, I'm just explaining why I did it. And I think I've been perfectly polite in the thread's first post here. So shut it.