Hey Disco, get a grip

[Mímir]

Well GNG people are out of this thread a long time ago xD

I ain't got nothing to do with that group, and in fact some of my characters are on their preferred target list (Faze). I'm raising the subject because this is just a recent example of an unlawful faction policing its indies, and it's a negative trend that has existed for as long as I have played.

@Techno: I think I recall you from 27th... And as such, I think I can confirm that it is not just me that use RP as a thinly veiled excuse for PVP. At least, I recall how you were very keen on jumping my lone cardi transport with several bombers and how you were very keen on running away RP'ing when I faced you in a fighter


But I understand GNG are bad because they don't say "how high" when official faction members ask them to jump, and nothing more needs to be added to the discussion, as it is an uncomfortable subject that warrants a lock. GG.

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[Vicho Deivis]

Ups!... well... smoke bomb!

[Technogeist]

Well GNG people are out of this thread a long time ago xD
I ain't got nothing to do with that group, and in fact some of my characters are on their preferred target list (Faze).
@Techno: I think I recall you from 27th... And as such, I think I can confirm that it is not just me that use RP as a thinly veiled excuse for PVP

I'm pretty sure the 27th disbanded because we got sick of people hunting us for blues instead of giving us real interaction
nice attempt tho 2/10
I removed the rather mild insults directed at other members of the forum, In the future please refrain from insulting others and keep it civil. ~Meoshi

[Lythrilux]

Can you please, please flesh out what is so bad about this activity?

>Multiple IDs being used to circumvent restrictions
>Roles aren't actually being played and it's just mindless pew
>These people have little regard for RP and only seek blues.

That's how their activity is created. A bystander non-combatant who dropped out of lanes to seek interaction was shot down in 40 seconds by silent Freelancer IDed ship which is ALWAYS "hired" by GNG/G group.

>Encouraging lolwutty gameplay themselves (e.g the Colorado incident)
>They're pissing off a community majority on a daily basis
>They're making people logging off rather than logging on
>They're abusing the Pirate ID in a way it should not be used

And please, don't get started about "the other side of the encounter". I like you, Lyth, I hope you know that. I think you contribute a lot, but you and I both know that you do a whole lot of lolwutty stuff. I've been mercilessly ganked by your scylla squad in my lone LABC back when the liberty pirate skype chat was a thing, I've been in Core where you promoted ganking and really had to do an effort to hold back on that front, I've been jumped by your ridiculous pirate, exposing my junker to cargo piracy in O-80 where you proceeded to sell the stuff in Alpha, blissfully counting on the player behind the ship to be a noob you could take advantage of.

Am I justifying any of that behaviour though? Ok so there are two Scylla squads you may be referring two and I don't know which. The former (which was linked to Liberty Pirate Channel) was stupid and I completely resent my time trying to help create a lolwutty little rebellion in Liberty composed of lolpirates. That was back when I played a lot more like an idiot. The latter Scylla Squad was actually just me and some other guys playing Rogues properly (enforcing all the Rogue laws by the line).
To be fair the whole ganking situation in Core was messy and you know that. Originally we didn't gank, then we did gank because others did, then we didn't because we wanted to set a better example, and in the end all the Omicron factions just agreed that we'd all be cool with each other ganking.
Yeeaaaaaaah, the scrap pirate thing was for a good while a means for me to collect profit as well as data on salvager piracy. Nowadays I just use it to try and grab 10 million credit demands.

The only difference is that you are a sociable member of the community, you are socially intelligent and know the codes around this place (ie. excellent written English, BB formatting, the benefits to faction membership, the benefits of strategic +1'ing and witty flood posts) so you get away with doing things in-game that are far more douchey to other players than what I have experienced this group, or team RNC for that matter, do. I don't want you punished. Hell, if my English had been worse or my posts just a tiny bit more poignant, I would have been banned ages ago.

I'd say otherwise. I get people giving me criticisms and generally I'll respond appropriately to such. Being sociable isn't really a scapegoat.

EDIT: As a testament to the uselessness of popular opinion, take a look at the post previous to this. There's a clear-cut opinion, but an alarming lack of observations and experiences to account for this opinion. That's the norm around here.

That is an exception, and such is to be expected of people when reading threads.

You're showing complete disregard for them. The Point? The Point is exactly what you said it isnt afterward.

My regard for them ends as soon as they leave. Of course, their opinions regarding the mod before/as will have some merit. But of course we're not really going to care too much about what someone who joined in 2011, played for about a year, left and hasn't come back will think of the mod in 2014.

The point is amusements.

Do you know what the definition of amusement is? It's to be mindlessly entertained. The pirate lolraids may be entertaining (for some) however in the eyes of an RP server they're stupid. They don't make sense, and are not done out of RP but to just go farm blues without much concern for the other side of the screen.

Your Point is stupid because if you want more people to stay and play with you, the opinions of people who leave are just as important.

See what I wrote above regarding the opinions of people who have left.

I don't need you or any of your contributions or any of your shenanigans. I enjoy fighting people who try to win without complaining much more than people who unload a huge loud of whining and bickering as soon as they appear on radar.

Well guess what? Those people who 'whine and bicker' are players on the other side of the screen. They come to this server to play the mod and have fun in an RP environment. They're the people on the other side of the interaction, and based on how you behave in that interaction will affect whether they actually want to interact with you again or not. So before you start branding people as whiners actually take into account to not be so critical of people who offer the important second half of your interaction.

EDIT: @Mimir about social intelligence. This is where you are just as wrong as everyone else. Lyth is not socially more intelligent than them, neither are you, neither is anyone else. You and they are just more intelligent about discoveryGC. The thought that 2 years of discoveryGC makes you more socially intelligent than the 15 to 30 years of RL that people who start playing here have experienced is mind-boggling stupid. They could learn all the things that you could learn, in less than 2 years time. Unfortunately, most people in Disco would rather fool themselves into thinking that they are more socially intelligent, and will drive other People way before they have the time to become disco-intelligent, because the disco-intelligent People are socially stupid that they are unable to deal with other People anymore. Sadly, being disco-intelligent has very little to do with being socially intelligent, because Disco is really such an unbelievably stupid and twisted place.

lolwat are you really pulling this argument? Please. Take your petty opinion out of this debate - join dates and ages are irrelevant here. I don't care if you have more social-intelligence than me or whatever, I can still wreck you in an argument.

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[Garrett Jax]

Line 14892: 20/12/2014 22:15:29 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: I think
Line 14898: 20/12/2014 22:15:32 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: we all get sanctioned
Line 14900: 20/12/2014 22:15:33 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60:
Line 14907: 20/12/2014 22:15:38 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: ID doesnt allow
Line 14920: 20/12/2014 22:16:00 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: rogue ID doesnt allow to aly with lawfuls
Line 14935: 20/12/2014 22:16:16 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: also kusari cant attack to liberty
Line 14938: 20/12/2014 22:16:17 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: but meh
Line 14953: 20/12/2014 22:16:30 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: I attacked ally with rheinland serveral times
Line 14959: 20/12/2014 22:16:37 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60: remove "attacked"
Line 14960: 20/12/2014 22:16:38 Spirit.of.Fire-|G->GroupID 60:

This exemplifies the whole problem right here. It's not just the ID violations, but the attitude that allows a group of individuals to feel that it's okay to break the rules. It's not a matter of ignorance either. These players know and understand the rules. This same 'relaxed' attitude that allows them to use different IDs for their group, is the same attitude that allows them to violate many other rules as well. I spoke to them before, at length, both in the Sanction threads and in Skype, treating them with respect. So, for those who claim that we need to simply "talk it out" with them, we have. Please refrain from making uniformed comments regarding that. You simply do not know.

Until this group learns to follow the same rules that everyone else does, they will keep getting sanctioned no matter how great some people might think their activity is. If they continue much longer down this path, we will simply Bastille the whole group and anyone that might be associated with them. I don't care if that person joined five minutes prior, they will lose their ships. This isn't Discovery of Discovery. This isn't Relaxed RP 24/7. If you want to play on those servers, be my guest. I would imagine they would be happy to have you since no one plays there. Maybe there's a reason for that, hmmm?

Another thing. Claiming Admin favoritism with Official Factions is ignorance as well. We are equal opportunity sanctioners. If someone files a report, follows the template, doesn't edit the screenshots and has the proof, the violator gets sanctioned. We don't care who it is. The fact that indies get sanctioned more is plain and simple. They get reported. Personally, I am not part of any official or unofficial faction, just so I can avoid the claims of bias that come up anytime I have to sanction someone.

Bottom line. We are going to enforce the rules of this server no matter how fascist you think we are. If you don't wish to get sanctioned/bastilled then...

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