.:j:. Junker Congress Faction Feedback

[SnakThree]

So who leads the Junkers now? Because I haven't seen this level of crazy powergamey play since those ZonerZonerZoners tried to blow up all of the Corsair leaders in a trial with a hidden bomb or some stuff.

This is pretty disappointing to see come from an official, and old, faction.

Most of the leaders, if not all, can be looked up at http://discoverygc.com/forums/showteam.php

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[nOmnomnOm]

Discovery may well be "Just a game", and the Junker Congress PLAYERS might well be cool and decent folks and all that, and that is fine.

However, bringing guns into a courtroom inRP, threatening violence in a Courtroom inRP, and aggressive posturing in a courtroom inRP, will be responded to in kind, inRP. The Junker Congress might be a deeply connected pseudo-criminal organization, but a government courtroom is still a government courtroom, protected by Libertonian Law Enforcement, and it's pretty damn safe to say they'll respond in kind.

Nobody who gives a damn about 'authentic roleplay' should expect any less.

Unfavorable outcomes to ones actions are not the same thing as "Bad RP", and expecting to just get away with pulling something heinous and outright criminal in a courtroom is pretty misguided, if you take roleplaying and in character diplomacy even remotely seriously.

OH AND ADDITIONALLY: The Courtroom should not be expected to be the only avenue of communication between the Libertonian Government, her agents and representatives, and the Junker Congress.

tal , who was not even allowed to post there, posted with guns First.
So yeah. Plz know ur facts.

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[SnakThree]

tal , who was not even allowed to post there, posted with guns First.
So yeah. Plz know ur facts.

It was already addressed by Echo. Tal had no right to post there and the post was deleted by staff.

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[Sarawr!?]

Discovery may well be "Just a game", and the Junker Congress PLAYERS might well be cool and decent folks and all that, and that is fine.

However, bringing guns into a courtroom inRP, threatening violence in a Courtroom inRP, and aggressive posturing in a courtroom inRP, will be responded to in kind, inRP. The Junker Congress might be a deeply connected pseudo-criminal organization, but a government courtroom is still a government courtroom, protected by Libertonian Law Enforcement, and it's pretty damn safe to say they'll respond in kind.

Nobody who gives a damn about 'authentic roleplay' should expect any less.

Unfavorable outcomes to ones actions are not the same thing as "Bad RP", and expecting to just get away with pulling something heinous and outright criminal in a courtroom is pretty misguided, if you take roleplaying and in character diplomacy even remotely seriously.

OH AND ADDITIONALLY: The Courtroom should not be expected to be the only avenue of communication between the Libertonian Government, her agents and representatives, and the Junker Congress.

tal , who was not even allowed to post there, posted with guns First.
So yeah. Plz know ur facts.

Know my facts? Tal, who was not allowed to post there, had his post removed and the contents nullified, The Junker Congress persisted nonetheless.

And for the record, when you're going to debate with somebody, try using spellcheck and proper grammar.

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[Garrett Jax]

They were the ones who demanded a trial, after all.

We respectfully ask for an extension.
Seems to me that we are guilty without a chance to be proven innocent.
Where was our trial?
Have we even received a formal hearing overseen by the Government of Liberty?
If so, where was our representation?
Shouldn't some form of evidence be brought forth to show just cause?
There are two sides to every story, unfortunately ours wasn't even heard.
We request the opportunity to declare our innocence despite being convicted without trial or representation.
The opportunity to refute and/or debate charges and evidence against us.
And this is what is deemed "Liberty".

That doesn't necessarily mean that Congress views the consequences that come out of this trial as something binding upon them. They may simply view this as nothing more than a story from their watering hole. That attitude would explain their RP of bringing guns to a court of law. If they don't expect any consequences out of this, then they could do whatever they want as far as RP is concerned and not have to worry at all.

So, my question stands. Does Congress view this trial as a legitimate event, in which its decisions are binding upon them? I would love an answer from Congress on this.

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[Pinko]

That doesn't necessarily mean that Congress views the consequences that come out of this trial as something binding upon them. They may simply view this as nothing more than a story from their watering hole. That attitude would explain their RP of bringing guns to a court of law. If they don't expect any consequences out of this, then they could do whatever they want as far as RP is concerned and not have to worry at all.

So, my question stands. Does Congress view this trial as a legitimate event, in which its decisions are binding upon them? I would love an answer from Congress on this.

If this was a watering hole story, then it would be a watering hole story. In fact, is there something that makes watering holes less legitimate stories? SRPs are accepted all the time from the Stories section of the forums, so surely they have some kind of meaning, no? I thought Stories were meant to enhance and complement the roleplay of factions both in-game and on the forums?

EDIT: In fact, considering the roleplay involves two entities that exist in-game, can something be done about this if one of them decides to disregard the outcome of said trial?

[Garrett Jax]

Just answer the question please.

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[matster]

Two points to make:

First, this is fantasy storytelling by amateur writers. Professional writers put things into movies and books that are unbelievable and we suck it up like Kool-Aid. Following that if someone criticizes you or your friend’s writing you could ignore it or say thanks for the input.

Second let me review some of the network the Junkers are part of and why this raid and subsequent trial makes no sense at this time from an RP point of view. Liberty is at war with Rhineland and Bretonia is at war with Gallia. Until the Gallic war at least is over, Liberty would be likely to turn a blind eye to the Cardamine trade as far as the Junkers are involved in PR. The Outcasts (source of Cardamine) are currently working with the Bretonian government and Liberty would be aware of that. You want realistic, here it is. Governments do this all the time. Are the Congress acting arrogant? Yes. They know their position is strong due to the current political situation. Liberty and Bretonia need intelligence and quasi lawful groups provide a lot of intelligence for governments. Not forgetting the logistical support they provide in areas where the authorities cannot be seen operating.

This type of thing does happen in the real world and it is usually a loose cannon or an uninformed PD that does it and things either get swept under the rug by the Feds or a scapegoat is found. Whoever conducted this raid in real life would have been balled out for it.

[Highland Laddie]

First, this is fantasy storytelling by amateur writers. Professional writers put things into movies and books that are unbelievable and we suck it up like Kool-Aid. Following that if someone criticizes you or your friend’s writing you could ignore it or say thanks for the input.

Professional writers also have copy editors and publishers that weed out story elements that don't make sense or are problematic before they go to final print.

[Echo 7-7]

Two points to make:

First, this is fantasy storytelling by amateur writers. Professional writers put things into movies and books that are unbelievable and we suck it up like Kool-Aid. Following that if someone criticizes you or your friend’s writing you could ignore it or say thanks for the input.

Second let me review some of the network the Junkers are part of and why this raid and subsequent trial makes no sense at this time from an RP point of view. Liberty is at war with Rhineland and Bretonia is at war with Gallia. Until the Gallic war at least is over, Liberty would be likely to turn a blind eye to the Cardamine trade as far as the Junkers are involved in PR. The Outcasts (source of Cardamine) are currently working with the Bretonian government and Liberty would be aware of that. You want realistic, here it is. Governments do this all the time. Are the Congress acting arrogant? Yes. They know their position is strong due to the current political situation. Liberty and Bretonia need intelligence and quasi lawful groups provide a lot of intelligence for governments. Not forgetting the logistical support they provide in areas where the authorities cannot be seen operating.

This type of thing does happen in the real world and it is usually a loose cannon or an uninformed PD that does it and things either get swept under the rug by the Feds or a scapegoat is found. Whoever conducted this raid in real life would have been balled out for it.

I'm not here to appease any individual's warped sense of realism - I'm here to get some answers from the Congress (preferably from their leadership who are supposed to be responsible for the faction) regarding why they're distorting facts and accusing LibGov of powergaming, along with overall negative criticism of the handling of their roleplay.