Discussion Faction rephacked hostile: Order

[jammi]

I think rephack should be revoked, as a rather long period have passed (three months?) and both factions learned their lesson.

However, if you want to keep the rephack, you should consider extending the Order's ZOI into Sigmas - as far as you may remember, LSF has connection to the Sigmas. It would be pretty neat to see MND, LSF and the Order waging a new silent war in there.

Obviously not, or they'd have taken the exceedingly simple steps required to fix the problem. If they thought the rephack was an issue, they'd have resolved it already. As it happens one or both are either too proud/apathetic/uninvolved to bother, so that's why it stays.

That said, I'm not sure why the entire Order NPC faction got rephacked hostile to the Zoners. Might have been best to just apply it to the player faction's ID and let them stew in their own actions for a bit. Involving Order indies seems needlessly harsh.

[Lythrilux]

No joke, Lyth. seriously. We have been receiving a number of complaints involving The Core steamrolling factions in the Omicrons from more than one faction. It's your choice how you wanna play it, but if you want to see activity rise among rival factions, you might want to consider lightening up on them. Consider this a helpful suggestion from a somewhat petty admin.

Well I mean it's not like I tried to change the IDs so that we could do more things other than just shoot other factions all the time... oh wait! I did! And it got taken away and nerfed because someone QQ'd about it. Shame. At least once the Omicron Update hits we'll have Iridium to occupy us.

We provide fair, balanced fights when we can. Most of the time we're outnumbered. It's not our fault if we have either better organization and tactics or skill than our opponents do. I'll take people out of fights if I need to, to keep things balanced, but we are not invincible. Corsairs know this, Outcasts know this, Order and AI SHOULD know this as they've beaten us a few times.

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[Garrett Jax]

Sure. Whatever you say, champ. I guess everyone else is wrong on their view of the situation and you are the only one with an accurate view on matters. No worries. Wasted enough of my working day explaining things. I guess we are at an impasse here. The Admins will keep on being 'petty' and you can keep on being the voice of reason.

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[Tarator]

No joke, Lyth. seriously. We have been receiving a number of complaints involving The Core steamrolling factions in the Omicrons from more than one faction. It's your choice how you wanna play it, but if you want to see activity rise among rival factions, you might want to consider lightening up on them. Consider this a helpful suggestion from a somewhat petty admin.

We provide fair, balanced fights when we can. Most of the time we're outnumbered. It's not our fault if we have either better organization and tactics than our opponents do.

I don't think this is the place to talk about it, but I'd like adding something here - the point is not just in how balanced pvp is, but also how pvp is being accumulated. In your case having the chat window opened to stalk whatever enemy might be in the nearby systems, or Omicrons as a whole, then sending an unhittable bottle to keep it CD'ed while you "organize" your crowd, is not a tactic I'd vouch for.

There's not a single time when I have logged and I didn't have Core catching up with me using the player list regardless of where I was in the Omircons (except for Tohoku) and that's the most irritating thing, and in fact its getting to a point of ridiculousness.

As of how outnumbered you are, I'd rather not comment here, as that's not always the case.

That said, I'm starting to ignore Core presence and a lot of other people around me are most likely to do the very same thing. Whether or not you'd bring 5-6 core in Mu, just to sit there for ~15 minutes and then after seeing that no Order id'ed players log, all of you sundive like you tend to do, I'd no longer care.

Take this as a friendly advise, and try to look at things from different perspective, not just yours.

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[TheShooter36]

Let me tell you something Lyth,
If you call 2v7 fights fair. You dont know what is fairness. Stop bringing 6 core against 1 order.

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[Epo]

No joke, Lyth. seriously. We have been receiving a number of complaints involving The Core steamrolling factions in the Omicrons from more than one faction. It's your choice how you wanna play it, but if you want to see activity rise among rival factions, you might want to consider lightening up on them. Consider this a helpful suggestion from a somewhat petty admin.

We provide fair, balanced fights when we can. Most of the time we're outnumbered. It's not our fault if we have either better organization and tactics than our opponents do.

I don't think this is the place to talk about it, but I'd like adding something here - the point is not just in how balanced pvp is, but also how pvp is being accumulated. In your case having the chat window opened to stalk whatever enemy might be in the nearby systems, or Omicrons as a whole, then sending an unhittable bottle to keep it CD'ed while you "organize" your crowd, is not a tactic I'd vouch for.

There's not a single time when I have logged and I didn't have Core catching up with me using the player list regardless of where I was in the Omircons (except for Tohoku) and that's the most irritating thing, and in fact its getting to a point of ridiculousness.

As of how outnumbered you are, I'd rather not comment here, as that's not always the case.

That said, I'm starting to ignore Core presence and a lot of other people around me are most likely to do the very same thing. Whether or not you'd bring 5-6 core in Mu, just to sit there for ~15 minutes and then after seeing that no Order iff'ed players log, all of you sundive like you often do, I'd no longer care.

Take this as a friendly advise, and try to look at things from different perspective, not just yours.

I can also add situation from yesterday when Core| bomber was flying through Omicron Zeta and trying to find me, he has even typed message on system chat which was like "come and take me" when he didn't have any evidences for my presence. A while after this, you bring the Anassi and something indie which was Thresher most likely. And everything to face one "Geb".
Furthermore, the whole Core| fleet has jumped Mu almost right after me (I don't need to say you didn't have any evidences of my presence and what's more any knowledge about my jump to Mu.

And from today, when 2 our ships were followed by 6 or 7 Core| and indies. I could also add many other situations like this, but it doesn't have sence.

And 2 Rheinland ships in Omicron Delta today, which were ganked as well.

So what I wanted to say? You, the whole Core|, shouldn't think that we will face 3x bigger force, because it's already lost from the beginning. I will just ignore those situations. Count it as my personal point of view

[Pepe]

Lyth is young hyperactive player that managed to get together with 5-6 others of same kind. They are not that many as people think, but those active ones are able to fly 2-3 raids per a DAY. They are not steamrolling with numbers and tactics, they are steamrolling with playing hours. I know many of them, they just love the game and they teamwork well when together. And they are getting better and better (except their "way of fight", which they are changing rapidly thanks to Lyth). Some even had bad time in other factions, but are happy in Core. That shouldn't be taken away from them, imho.

But, they are damn pests in the same time, as you pointed well, Garrett. Normal faction/nation can't parry them. They even pissed Golly off, I've heard. If Cores lose in the afternoon, they will come back at late evening and take their victory. But... They are doing something, ffs - instead of waiting on e-chats for something meh to happen, while playing some other game. They are making my Sairs busy every Friday in Delta and even raiding Gamma pretty often. Please, don't take them from us. When Sair players get bored - they pirate with battleships over FP1.

Garrett, if you have a hyperactive child, you can yell at it, you can call it naughty and you can even beat it. Or you can keep it occupied.

My respect for your work,
Pepe

[Lythrilux]

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...pid1680256
Feedback.

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[Lythrilux]

Lyth is young hyperactive player that managed to get together with 5-6 others of same kind. They are not that many as people think, but those active ones are able to fly 2-3 raids per a DAY. They are not steamrolling with numbers and tactics, they are steamrolling with playing hours. I know many of them, they just love the game and they teamwork well when together. And they are getting better and better (except their "way of fight", which they are changing rapidly thanks to Lyth). Some even had bad time in other factions, but are happy in Core. That shouldn't be taken away from them, imho.

But, they are damn pests in the same time, as you pointed well, Garrett. Normal faction/nation can't parry them. They even pissed Golly off, I've heard. If Cores lose in the afternoon, they will come back at late evening and take their victory. But... They are doing something, ffs - instead of waiting on e-chats for something meh to happen, while playing some other game. They are making my Sairs busy every Friday in Delta and even raiding Gamma pretty often. Please, don't take them from us. When Sair players get bored - they pirate with battleships over FP1.

Garrett, if you have a hyperactive child, you can yell at it, you can call it naughty and you can even beat it. Or you can keep it occupied.

My respect for your work,
Pepe

Thank you very much for your support Pepe.

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[Swifty]

Ok this is something to all of these guys here who just love to whine about Core. Forgive me if i'm too blunt for your taste, but someone /has/ to do it. - You are getting annoying, and your tears are staring to have a bad taste as they are getting old. This thread was supposed to be about fixing the rep between Order and Zoners because this issue is 'bad for business', if i can say that. And now, some of you saw this as an opportinity to change the subject and whine some more about Core. That's funny, but you know, there is this thread called ''feedback'', use it, instead of changing important sunbject to something that's getting old and annoying.



About the fights - Just lol. You all are being hypocritical over the average and that is not nice. You whine about outnumbers and all, but dare i tell you all about the /many/ times i've been ganked? No, because i don't care. I stopped caring. You lose today, you might win tomorow, so what's the problem again?


And @Scourgeclaw. I love you man, i really do, but today, after seeing your post i might change my mind about that seeing how hypocrite you turned out to be. I rather take it up on skype for further details, that if you are interested.


My piece. And with this i'd like to end the discussion about the Core in this thread. You have anything else to add? See up there where Lyth left you a link to the Feedback thread, click it and post there. Simple.


And Bob, what happens between 2 Factions, stays between 2 factions, especially after the said faction wants to get separated from Zoners. Even if Order did wrong when they shot indies, that doesn't mean they have to be hostile to ALL of them because you said so or feel like teaching them a lesson. That's just wrong and shows that the Admin abuse is real around here. You might have superiority over the players because you maintain the server up, but it's stupid decisions like this one that drive people away.

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