To: TBH
Comm ID: Commandante of Benitez Forces, Don Carlos Benitez
Source: Myrtos Villa (Benitez HQ), Planet Crete
Firstly, Senor. Montoya, may I remind you that I did not raise this issue, Senor Sephardi did. The issue of the representativeness of the Council of Elders is an issue that has not been raised for many months simply because we are more or less comfortable with the current situation (thanks to the Omega Pirates Guild). If I where as power hungry as you suggest, I would be raising this issue daily rather than letting it drop from the agenda. Sephardi raised this issue from its grave, and so far I have made no addition to recounting the events from our perspective, other than to state that I stick by my decision.
May I also remind you that this situation began with my request for information regarding the destruction of an indipendant ship.
In my report I came to the same conclusion as Sephardi, yet have been the subject of death threats by one of your Soldati.
I have made no demands and yet you accuse me of being hungry for power, holding tantrums if I don't get it. A retraction or apology from the aformentioned Soldato would have been, and still would be sufficient, but instead you are attempting to beat us back into submissiveness.
Senor Zavier Benitez has the luxury of only having to present his own opinions. In contrast, I represent my clan and most statements and actions by THIS individual are representing the thoughts, feelings and concerns of the family, based on messages I receive from my members on our private channels. That Zavier would be easier to get along with if in my position is not the case. Often in such arguments, if my opinion was represented only, they would go very differently. The decision to leave Gamma during the incident that was so foolishly dragged up from it's resting place was made by the family, based on a vote done over private comms, as where all the decisions made during that campaign.
You have a problem with the decisions made by the family, not with me.
I have moderated myself and the comments that have been suggested need to be made on the family's behalf, but more personal insults have resulted.
A retraction would still be sufficient for this to be forgotten, in Carlos' opinion, but we all know how stubborn coalition officers are trained to be.
((One clan of equal size ruling over another is not just, and this was the situation in January. The whole "family" rule was never mentioned until after the Benitez attempted to get a fairer representation. It's a means for the Brotherhood to maintain control.
A challenge to you; restructure the Council of Elders into a Senate containing an equal number of equally powerful representatives from Benitez, OPG, TBH and Respected Indipendants, and I will resign my leadership of the Benitez family and all political power therein.
Now accuse me of being power-crazed)))
Incoming Transmission
Comm ID: Praetor Zavier Benitez
Source: Myrtos Villa (Benitez Headquarters), Planet Crete, Omicron Gamma system.
Hola!
I must say, amigos. You have really disgusted me with your treatment of Carlos. He has done a SUPERB job leading the Benitez, and quite frankly, in my opinion, the Benitez won't be the same without Carlos. It will be worse. I am not cut out for leading the entire Familia, nor is Jose.
Everything Carlos does, he does with our FULL support and interests at heart. Anything that doesn't have the familia's full support, quite simply, doesn't leave the private circles of Benitez communication.
Carlos deserves an apology. A well written one for all the hurt you've caused him. First, you have forced us into submission, not once, but twice now, maybe going on a third time?
If you still want to be the ones who disolve the alliance of Gamma. Feel free, but know this: The Benitez will survive.
VIVA LOS BENITEZ!!
Viva los corsarios!
Praetor Zavier Benitez, out.
Transmission Ended...
Close?
"Freelancer Alpha dash niner, this is Freeport 7 control, You are cleared for departure. Good luck out there."
Soldato Zavier Benitez, Benitez flight instructor.
This dialogue should have ended some time ago with these words "We are at war, we will not entertain division and infighting"
Though i am sure that the Brettonian military, BPA and QCRF, the mollies and the UOG, the Outcast's, the AW, the SCRA, the Bounty Hunters, The Hessians and their Nova PG friends, the Nomads and the Keepers - have i left anyone out? will surely be pleased that plans for war are progressing so well. Perhaps you all feel that the Corsair nation does not yet possess enough enemies and you might entertain the idea of adding Corsair factions to that list? You are supposed to be Elders, yet here you sit bickering while our people stand surrounded.
Would your energies not be better used killing our enemies? Pick one, we have many....
Hola elders,Centurions,Praetors,Commandates,
only what i will say is:
You all are sure that this is good time for insulting each other? you all are sure that this is what is now best for corsairs? You all are sure that this is what omicron gamma now need? can you not act as one? or discuss things that are not clear to all? or make something? who from you has taked a look on what enemies we now have? BH ships are in gamma everyday, outcast increase their attacks on crete. AW are on our backyard(i know this is only between TBH,OPG and AW) Keepers have status of guards of graveyards of outcast so maybe in future they will attack gamma together. i hope no,but possible is all. so you all are still sure that you will mak gamma easy target for all enemies? when they come they find more groups,unfriendyl to each other and not all corsairs guarding home as one. i am not in position judge who is right and who is wrong, but i am sure in one thing,that my words will be future of gamma when all corsairs are not united and defending our home as ONE!!!
and now i can go to bar and waste my time with drinks!
Globalo out....
Like Laowai and globalo says before, this is a lot of waste time, making a lot of noise, insulting each other for nothing really important.
There is some hot headed bloody people in each faction, we are all corsairs.
We'll have to stop acting stupid. Each corsairs faction TBH, Benitez, OPG have his own independence but we have to work as 1 corsairs nations.
Don Carlos is Benitez Commandante, and as it, he do a great job and with full support of all benitez. Please stop speaking of him as a dictator.
VIVA LOS BENITEZ!!
Viva los corsarios!
Now, if you seek me, i'll be with my friend globalo and Laowai wasting my time with somes drinks!
Brothers, this is a farce. Don Carlos has asked for an explaination for two TBH pilots behaviour and he gets personal abuse.
"If possible, I would like to be sent full and detailed accounts....."
'If possible...?'...hardly a demand....
On top which, other parties, start accusing the family and the Don of stuff that they know nothing of.
This has become trial by forum. It has moved from a wise council of elders to mob rule.
As for "Personal Notes- not for the official record"
I am disappointed in you Shepardi. You weren't there according to the screenshots so as a party not involved, your opinion was not warranted nor requested. As I recall, you weren't at the other meeting and if you were, your memory seems clouded. If you are unsure, I suggest you discuss those things with the TBH elders who were there and stick to what this 'request' was originally about.
What occured between Senor Ivan, his wife and the other corsair. I suggest we let it be dealt with by the people who should deal with it i.e. the people concerned and the Elders. This should now stop here on the public forum and move to the council chambers or better yet PM's between the parties to resolve it for the betterment of everyone. A fast response and comfortable resolution would be in everyones favor in these troubling times.
' Wrote:As for "Personal Notes- not for the official record"
I am disappointed in you Shepardi. You weren't there according to the screenshots so as a party not involved, your opinion was not warranted nor requested. As I recall, you weren't at the other meeting and if you were, your memory seems clouded. If you are unsure, I suggest you discuss those things with the TBH elders who were there and stick to what this 'request' was originally about.
Chico, I suggest you take your own advice, as Centurion I am at the right hand of the Elders, much like your own Zavier with Carlos. I was asked by the Elders to investigate the incident and report my findings to them and Carlos. Now I ask you Chico, when were you requested to post your opinions, in THE BROTHERHOOD message dump. If you have a problem with the findings of my report, take it up with carlos, as it seems his investigation led hjim to the same conclusions I came to. As for my unoffical addendum, I feel as I was the one who was asked to investigate, that I would be remiss in my duties, to leave out information I felt was relevent to the discussion, but not suitable for the offical report. Now Chico, I suggest you find out about the person you are talking to before you make yourself look stupid.
This was january, and The Brotherhood never recived a response from representitives of the Beniez, this is a copy of the post for all who cant acsess it.
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Hermanos, I feel compeled today to come here and talk to you. Over the past 2 weeks, various members of TBH have been trying to negotioate with your famila, to give Benitez it's own Sovernign status over it's won area of space. The lates attempt which has been rejected, was basicly to split Corsair space into 2 almost evenly divided autonomis zones. All of our proposals have been rejected by your Familia. Out of frustration over the impass, I am going to post our last proposal, which was negotiated between Zavier and Myself, which was accepted by every Elder and Centurion of TBH and rejected by Benitez, here for all to see.
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Quote:[size="2]So, a couple of thing to start.
1) I speak for myself. My ideas are my own and not those of the Elders
2) Any agreement will have to understand the TBH as the owner of Omicron Gamma and Omicron 91.
3) Any agreement will have to understand that Benitez as the owner of Omicron 94
4) Any agreement must include freedom of acsess and policing on all Corsair space for both factions. This shall include weapons and ships on either factions bases, now and in any future Disco releases. We are all Corsair
That being said:
I think the best way out of our current situation is to split Corsair space into 2 Zones, The Omicrons and the Omegas. This would make the Omega zone, Omega 5, Omega 41, Omega 47, Omega 49. From there one can acsess Cambridge, Dublin, Omega 3 and 7, as well as Omicron Theta.
The Omicron zone would be Omicron Gamma, Delta, and Omicron 91,96. From there one could accses Omicron Theta, Omicron Major, and the Nomad systems.
The exception to this division is Omicron 94, which is owned by the Benitez, which retain complete control and soverenty over the system.
The diffrent zones, would have the responsablity of primary diplomacy with groups in thier zone. So the Omega zone would deal with; Red Hessains, Britinans, Mollys and the Gaians.
The Omicron zone would deal with Outcasts, Order, Nomads and Rheindland.
Being that the Zoners are independent, both groups could independently deal with the zoners incharge in each zone.
The Omega Base would be Battleship Fez, and the Omicron base would be Crete.
Obviously the TBH would have control of the Omicrons and Benitez the Omegas, as TBH owns Omicron Gamma and 91.
As Crete is the Capital of the Corsair Nation, it seems fitting that the Benitez have a hand in it's defence. I would think a squadron of mabye 4 or 5 Benitez could be stationed on Crete, if you want, to operate jointly with TBH in the defence of Crete.
I would also sugest an exchange program to help build trust between our two groups. Say 2 members of TBH would be stationed at Fez and 2 Benitez at Crete to work together with theother faction, under the command of the other faction. The two TBH would be under the command of Benitez, and vise versa.
This I belive is just a starting idea, but I think if we can come to some kind of understanding between you and I, I can convince TBH, if you can convince Benitez.
I look forward to your feedback.
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So before the Benitez start talking about how it is the TBH standing in the way of a United Corsair nation, I suggest you all get the relevent facts.
I would like to take this opportunity to say how disappointed I am with the comments that you have made with regard to the leadership of the Benitez.
I would like to address a number of the points that you have made in an effort to clear up the obvious misconceptions and misunderstandings that you have of the workings of the Benitez..
First and foremost, Carlos is the voice of the Benitez. Decisions are reached in a relatively democratic fashion through the use of the Benitez private comms channel. Things are asked openly and discussed openly within the Benitez. Ideas are discussed and opinions formed. Once there is a general consensus then we ask Carlos to take that opinion to the rest of the Corsair world.
I would be a liar if I said that things were always unanimous as they are often not, but the majority view is the one that is relayed to the outside. Therefore, whether you realise it or not, you have successfully insulted and alienated all of the Benitez with your continued assertion that the ordinary members of the Benitez have no say or influence.
There have been a number of occasions where Carlos has been required to speak on behalf of the Benitez and to argue things that he does not wholeheartedly agree with. He has done this in a competent fashion (in my view) and the Benitez unanimously thank him for his efforts.
This is not something that is typical of a dictatorship Im sure you will agree?
I would like to question your statement in which you have said that a Dictatorship would not allow any opposition. This is absolutely not the case, and there are a number of historical examples of Dictators allowing opposition to exist simply to keep a population quiet and to deflect them from feeling as though there is no choice. (\\oorp there is or course an example of this currently taking place in Zimbabwe). Perhaps the Benitez are being used as the alternative to the TBH? I will make no comments as to the truth of this. Each of you has to look at themselves in the mirror each morning, and only you will know the truth.
Do all Corsairs feel that Corsair Council is made up fairly? In effect (as far as I know) all the members are drawn from the ranks of the TBH with the exception of 2 (1 each from OPG and Benitez). I would like to know in what way this can be considered fair. As I understand it there is a ruling that only one member from any given family can sit on council at any one time? Since the Benitez are a family only in the sense of a crime family (\\oorp such as the Mafia), as opposed to a genetically linked family then there is actually no reason what so ever that any number of Benitez members cannot sit on the Council is there?
Also if the Council is a fair representation of the Corsairs where are all the Independents? Why are there not more members of the OPG? (By your own rules there should be since they are not all of a single family no matter how you define the word family). Why are there only TBH, OPG and Benitez? If I were an Independent I would not see it as fair I would see it as an exclusive club for the big boys.
(\\oorp For the Council to be fair then it should be formed away from the RP aspects of Disco, and the RP made to fit afterwards. The RP doesnt fit this, and the continued insistence that there can only be one member from each family gives the appearance that the TBH are hiding behind this RP excuse to retain domination of the Council please note that I have used the word appearance as I do not know it to be a fact)
Something that strikes me as very curious in respect of your entire communication is the fact that you continue to say we allowed you to do this and let you do that.
In the first instance you allowed us to do nothing. We made a choice to do a number of things rightly or wrongly, but without any direct influence from the TBH. However, if you wish to believe that you allowed us to do something then I offer you my thanks, and we can all now maintain this illusion.
Earlier on I noticed a post from an Independent concerning whether or not he should be expected to take orders from a member of the great houses. As a spokesperson for one of the great houses, can I ask what your view on this would be? Should an Independent be expected to take orders from the TBH (Benitez or OPG)? Why should he?
It would be a brave thing if you were to apologise to Carlos for making the suggestion that he is a Dictator, as the testament of others demonstrates this not to be the case.
It is a great shame that yet again we have found ourselves in this position.
Incoming Transmission:
Comm ID: Praetor Zavier Benitez
Source: Myrtos Villa (Benitez HQ), Planet Crete, Omicron Gamma system.
Senor Sephardi, you are mistaken. You are to the Elders of the Brotherhood as Jose or Custo are to Carlos, Ximen and I.
I also want to know why you have been going around digging up old topics, as discussed privately at the time, division of Corsair space into two territories would only drive a wedge between the two factions already at eachothers throats. Not only this, but it made little mention of the state of the Council of Elders which was the whole centrepiece of the discussions. Also, with the re-emergence of the OPG, Such a division is now impractical and not possible.
Once again, we are not interested in obtaining territory, but we have desired an equal say for all factions and independents involved with the leadership of Crete and the Corsairs as a unified whole.
Transmission ended.
Close?
"Freelancer Alpha dash niner, this is Freeport 7 control, You are cleared for departure. Good luck out there."
Soldato Zavier Benitez, Benitez flight instructor.
I am aware of your position and you do rank me. It would appear that you are not aware however.
As for your report, I have no problem with it, in fact I complement you on it. It is the 'unofficial addendum' I take issue with. Personnal opinions should not interfere with the job you were tasked with and therefore should not be part of your report. You would be remiss to include them.
As for an answer to your proposal, I am sure you are right. You probably never recieved a reply but as you point out, you are a Centurion, not an Elder. Maybe one of them did?
As for people not knowing their place, far be it for me to make anyone look stupid......
Kind regards
Chico Benitez
Incidentally, if you wish to continue this discourse, kindly PM me and I will not have to answer on THE BROTHERHOOD message dump.
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