I want either less powergaming or a bigger chance to participate in it @Devteam

[oZoneRanger(2)]

It is not about who has what base where. It is about the appearance that some people get their Ideas for Disco pushed through faster than others.
Operation Anvil was a nice read. Did any of that happen ingame? Any of the action or conversations happen in space? Just askin.

[thisDerius]

Srsly. is there RP that the base had to be built or something? It could not just appear there out of thin air. that ain't fair at all.

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[Teerin]

Look, I was approached by the HF leader back when LR- was still acting like an official faction and was asked if I wanted to do an event between LR and HF, where if we lost, Alcatraz would get smashed up and the HF would get a base. I politely declined after discussing this with the faction peeps, but a few patches ago, a HF base was just smacked into California without any roleplay done to it.

One massive problem that the HF have had, similar to factions like the RoS, Coalition, etc. is that they only have bases in one single system. This is crippling to their playability in-game, and a small California base was seen as a simple solution to this. I strongly advised that @Durandal, as well as previous leaders like @Charos, roleplay the construction of such. Unfortunately, I have little to do in the way of enforcement.

And yes, other factions with bases in a single system are planned to expand some.

Okay, the LR- and JM as well as other groups did a RP for about a month about making an unique looking base - a shipyard in Coronado. That got declined because, as the system dev stated, ''I should not ask for things that are a unrealsitic display of power''.

My predecessor @Echo 7-7 decided against this for a number of reasons. And yes, a gigantic shipyard with engines – the size of a barge and the armaments of several warships – is an unrealistic display of power. Sure, it's cool, but ... yeah, unrealistic. A small station in California is barely anything in comparison to that.

Today I learn that the Hellfire Legion have nicked the Bering gate.
You read that right.
The HF leader thought it'd be cool to just have his faction steal a jumpgate. With the only RP leading up to it being one RP post that he has done by himself.

As I'm sure other people have already uncovered, it was more than just a single post, and @Durandal wasn't the poster for a lot of them.

A civilian gatling gun is going to be manufactured by the HF, apparently. Okay.
What?

That's the WIP idea, one which I'm personally not a fan of, however while I am the lead developer, I'm not totalitarian.

No.
No, you are not going to ignore what other factions need to go through just because you can add it by yourself to the update. You have no reason to have easier terms of adding new content to your faction. I will let your rotating space donger slide, because it is fun to shoot.

There are approximately 70 factions in Discovery Freelancer. I can assure you that the Story/Lore guys are working on making progress for every single one. It's a long process and we aren't finished yet, but believe me when I say that the HF Legion are far from special.

[Durandal]

Morning Spazzy.

Yes, I am just slightly bit pinaple flavored right now. Haha now look at me, bypassing the word filter by just writing pineapple instead of pineapple. Nice to know Discovery has caught up with image boards of 2006. Very nice.

Working our way up there, I agree. Maybe at some point we'll stop sanctioning people when the board already turns their arbitrarily taboo words into asterisks too.

Today I have listened in on a few skype convos about the recent changes done to the mod and I am starting to really question the amount of influence developers are allowed within the mod lore-wise.

This is getting a bit silly.

Hi Snak3.

I would never have made this sort of thread, because devs and admins are usually the people I try my best to keep in good relations with try not to piss off due to obvious reasons, but right now things are getting a tad retarded. Also, I think retarded was another word filter, because this is 2016 and everyone is a sensitive pansy.

You have literally never cared about this except for sucking up to them to get something.

Look, I was approached by the HF leader back when LR- was still acting like an official faction and was asked if I wanted to do an event between LR and HF, where if we lost, Alcatraz would get smashed up and the HF would get a base. I politely declined after discussing this with the faction peeps, but a few patches ago, a HF base was just smacked into California without any roleplay done to it.

That was not my proposal. My proposal was to do an event regarding an attack on Alcatraz with an indeterminate result in the case of an HF victory, perhaps making Alcatraz undockable for caps. Ironically an LR victory would've either set back construction of the new HF base or made it undockable for caps or something, but you weren't even interested in attempting an event because of your faction's self proclaimed poorer pvp skills.

I did not know I could just ask the admin team for a base to be added, because if that was the case, I would have asked for one in Colorado.

I didn't ask anyone. I just put it there, because it was the right thing to do. The HF had two bases they can dock on within Liberty itself, neither belonging to them.

If the Rogues were in a similar situation, I'd have pushed it straight into git without a second thought as well. On that note I owe an apology to the SCRA, whose base we discussed in Newcastle is long overdue.

In addition you've been in this community a long time. I bet I won't find complaints about other factions having bases of theirs appear out of the blue if I bothered to do the appropriate backreading. This is a personal attack and I can understand why, but at least acknowledge that it is. Elsewise you'd be retroactively attacking 80% of Discovery's history.

Okay, the LR- and JM as well as other groups did a RP for about a month about making an unique looking base - a shipyard in Coronado. That got declined because, as the system dev stated, ''I should not ask for things that are a unrealsitic display of power''.

Which dev stated this? I see no issue with your base in Coronado, though it's not going to be mobile like you want it to. The base has simply been on the backburner because frankly we've had more important things to do. (Rheinland update? Kusari? Nomicrons?)

If it'll warm the cockles of your heart so much I'll take the precious time out of my day to throw it in right now, even though you've already got 10+ dockables throughout Liberty.

Today I learn that the Hellfire Legion have nicked the Bering gate.
You read that right.
The HF leader thought it'd be cool to just have his faction steal a jumpgate. With the only RP leading up to it being one RP post that he has done by himself.

You're right. @Charos did think it would be a cool idea for the HF to loot the Bering gate instead of having an HF docking ring appear out of nowhere. You know, do a little... background roleplay. Something which you've gone and lost your marbles about not having any of for the base in California. It was also not one post, but an entire thread. You can read it here.

A civilian gatling gun is going to be manufactured by the HF, apparently. Okay.
What?

You seriously care about who makes pixel weapons, much less ones which are freely available to everyone? Lol, check your priorities dude. I don't care who makes it and neither should you.

No, you are not going to ignore what other factions need to go through just because you can add it by yourself to the update. You have no reason to have easier terms of adding new content to your faction. I will let your rotating space donger slide, because it is fun to shoot.

It's certainly easier to go through the process of getting new stuff approved when you're in the story chat and have the ability to push things to git, no denying that. With the exception of the base in California where I sidestepped everyone for the sake of my faction members who had been promised a base of our own outside of Vespucci for literally years (Yes, years. Not months, not a year. Years.) I've always had to go through the same process of discussing what does or does not happen with my faction with the rest of the story team. (Fun fact, did you know that in the far future, an actual Navy incursion into Vespucci is planned?)

Side note: Our rotating space donger was actually added by @Alley without my permission while I was homeless. If I had a say in it I would've declined, since I would've rather gotten a heavy cruiser than a BC.


Yours truly.
@Durandal
~Unconcerned about a well known inflammatory member & long time troll.


Make love, not forum drama.

[Lythrilux]

As a suggestion it'd probably be better to just get Ageira or some other corp to deliver Docking Ring parts if you want to construct a docking ring. That's what I'm doing for Nauru

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[|nfrared]

2 Bases you can dock on in Liberty? Gonna call this out.

Ouray, Milford, Dawson.... Then theres FP in Alberta, and I'm not counting Barrow, and the FP in Bering.... Oh, Bethlehem in Penn....
I would think you guys should know the game better than this.

But sadly this -

You seriously care about who makes pixel weapons, much less ones which are freely available to everyone? Lol, check your priorities dude. I don't care who makes it and neither should you.

Says it all, really. We DO care about lore, no matter how insignificant you may think it is. Factions have been made around pixel manufacturers, the community here needs this stuff to write the RP you all crave, the purpose we are all here!

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Durandal]

2 Bases you can dock on in Liberty?

Ouray, Milford, Dawson.... Then theres FP in Alberta, and I'm not counting Barrow, and the FP in Bering.... Oh, Bethlehem in Penn....
I would think you guys should know the game better than this.

Ouray and Milford. Dawson is a Rogue base. I was only referencing bases IN Liberty itself which we can dock on, not more stuff in the independent worlds.

In theory we can dock on Bethlehem, but I don't think that would make the Zoners very happy.

@Lythrilux I agree that it would've been a good idea to include more factions in the roleplay, but I wasn't around at the time.

[|nfrared]

Cough... I meant Dryden, Ontario. I am human, after all.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[TheJarl]

This may be a fair discussion and we'll keep it open, but do keep it at an actual productive discussion. We don't want a mudslinging contest.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[The Savage]

In theory we can dock on Bethlehem, but I don't think that would make the Zoners very happy.

I will post quite unpopular opinion, but I find FR5ing player towards all Zoner Freeports by official faction not making any sense. Zoners aren't single faction, they don't even have a single ruling body, being bound just by name and every base has its own "leader".

It's like trying to FR5 e.g. Junker from Freelancer bases, because he pirates FL ID players or around e.g. Barrier Gate Station.