Liberty forcing Junker fr5's

[R.I.P.]

This is another major problem on this server and one of the many reasons i deleted all my accounts and left, who really cares honestly if some indie docks on rochester. Oh well get over it, petty arguments over things like this and wanting to kick people out of bases and liberty is the kinda stuff that drives people away from the mod. Officials like i was get tired of the constant bickering and petty things that people do and say "Well this is RP" Ok well there becomes a point where RP and overdoing it just gets old fast. Anyways said my piece like i said i do not play anymore but i do check in from time to time to see if this place actually starts getting better. And from what i have seen it doesn't.

[Apollon]

I will continue having members of the LSF submit FR5 requests if a lawful entity sees them dock on your stations. Until the admins come out and say I am not to do so, it will continue.

Also, you can quite easily /see/ Rochester from Newark. Don't tell me it's "hidden," especially not after we've chased Stortas, Scyllas, and Ranseurs there for LITERAL YEARS.

Same thing with Beaumont, the Spire and the all the stuff that happened around it gave the lawfuls a clue.

[Hannibal]

-NPC Junker installations are meant to be a safe haven for criminals in house space

for those who don't cause troubles for the junkers,i.e:dont attack lawfuls and then dock on our bases if there's a lawful nearby

-There is no diplomatic precedence set for who can DEMAND that the offender be rephacked

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=115439

-The Junker faction for the most part has no reason to otherwise FR5 these outlaws seeing as how we are quasi-lawful and it has been a part of our role-play since vanilla

it's because we are quasi-lawful we have to behave in house space and so those who dock on junkers bases should too and by that i mean only if there's a lawful nearby the base

The people that are DEMANDING that the FR5 happen are doing so hoping to cause enough of a commotion to get Junkers outlawed in Liberty which is something that cannot happen because of the very foundation of the lore of the game.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=115439

Any feed back is welcome, but this needs to stop and be addressed by server admins. It is happening way to much and is negatively effecting the game.

How so? you get FR5,you fly to an npc base and take a bribe,easy fix,right? well yes,for you anyways,but for those who watch you doing something stupid as docking on a junker base when there's a lawful entity nearby is not..

*the only demand for a fr5 made recently towards junkers that i think it should not been made was the one done by snoopy uncloaking his LN Battleship only a second before the rogue player pushed the dock button

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[Thyrzul]

So you harbour criminals and are mad at police for asking you out on it, really? How hard it has to be to properly police your own stations and at least pretend to be lawful in front of other lawfuls by kicking those criminals out of your station who've failed to flee there covertly, even if temporarily? Quasi-lawful status is like neutrality for Zoners, you don't expect and demand it by default, you are not entitled to it because the lore says so, you have to earn it because the lore says so.

Be a good boy and slap those unlawfuls who endanger your quasi-lawful status. I'm pretty sure LPI, LN and LSF inRP have their means to take out Rochester if it becomes too much of an issue to warrant dealing with it the hard way, after all it's not like a Rogue station sitting in unmappable and unnavigatable Badlands, it's just a hub in a debris field right behind Manhattan, visible from Newark. Behave, make compromises, educate your unlawful compatriots, and you won't ever have a problem with police anymore.

EDIT: Also, don't you think a criminal thanking your trust in them and that you let them dock on your station by carelessly endangering your already fragile quasi-lawful status is actually abusing junker hospitality? Don't you think this wouldn't be a too bad reason to kick them out?

Alternatively, on what basis do you demand lawful players to forgo enforcing their lore, their role, roleplaying their own characters? Just because you feel it more convenient to roleplay only the more beneficial aspects of yours and don't want to care about the rest?

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[Skorak]

You have no idea how many RP opportunities I have lost because I played an indie without a tag.
I will not stop to treat indies as much like officials as possible. One could argue that these ships aren't really delivering good Rp or follow their lore but where should I draw the line?

So if you really want to tell me I should ignore indies and that some people here even leave because of that, then I honestly don't get why you wanted to play on an RP Server in the first place.

I won't start ignoring indies today. I also won't start to wage war against junkers because of this because here I will actually consider that the other is an unserious player. So if you really want something to complain about, complain about the players not really role-playing instead of the people who do.

[Durandal]

Oh, this thread again.

You guys (yes Congress, talking to you) need to get it through your heads that this is a roleplaying server, and that there are roleplaying consequences for roleplaying actions. Damn right Liberty and any other lawfuls are going to ask you to FR5 outlaws docking on your bases, or fine you for it, or just shoot you outright.

It's a shame, really, because I see the Junkers as having a lot of potential as a really smooth niche faction who would calmly wave something like this off going "sure sure, we'll take care of it.." and then offer some sort of service as compensation for the lawfuls to turn a blind eye. (Maybe try supplying some POBs? You don't seem to have any trouble maintaining a healthy five or so in your own little chunk of Sirius). And then use the money made from those services to hire mercs to shoot the lawfuls.

If you can't walk the walk then don't talk the talk. You as a faction are in a very unique situation to roleplay your way out of just about anything, but here you are asking for admin protection on the forums and asking people to turn a blind eye to you so as to maintain the quasi lawful status you had in vanilla rather than trying to uphold it through your own actions.

[nOmnomnOm]

Oh, this thread again.

You guys (yes Congress, talking to you) need to get it through your heads that this is a roleplaying server, and that there are roleplaying consequences for roleplaying actions. Damn right Liberty and any other lawfuls are going to ask you to FR5 outlaws docking on your bases, or fine you for it, or just shoot you outright.

It's a shame, really, because I see the Junkers as having a lot of potential as a really smooth niche faction who would calmly wave something like this off going "sure sure, we'll take care of it.." and then offer some sort of service as compensation for the lawfuls to turn a blind eye. (Maybe try supplying some POBs? You don't seem to have any trouble maintaining a healthy five or so in your own little chunk of Sirius). And then use the money made from those services to hire mercs to shoot the lawfuls.

If you can't walk the walk then don't talk the talk. You as a faction are in a very unique situation to roleplay your way out of just about anything, but here you are asking for admin protection on the forums and asking people to turn a blind eye to you so as to maintain the quasi lawful status you had in vanilla rather than trying to uphold it through your own actions.

Srsly, all I had a problem with is the junker snitching on other junker and that it was not an intended reply.

But I agree that it is a good idea for something like this.

[Lythrilux]

The content in this thread is one of the reasons why I stopped leading JM and left Junker RP entirely.

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[Laura C.]

Also, I've heard Junker bases are hidden from lawful eyes inRP. Perhaps BHG given the shady past of the recruits mag know the location, but lawfuls wouldn't.

Majority of situations happen when the criminals are escaping and lead authorities/hunters directly to Rochester (or any other base) where they dock under their noses. So even if we would agree that exact locations of Junker bases are secret inRP because for example they are moved all around (and thus lawfuls should not camp there, that is really not right), it will make no difference for majority of situations this thread is connected to.

Any feed back is welcome, but this needs to stop and be addressed by server admins. It is happening way to much and is negatively effecting the game.

Can you more elaborate on how exactly this is negatively affecting the game? It should be in really detrimental way because you are asking admins to make statement where they will disqualify/forbid some roleplay, what is really serious intervention into RP environment.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Sylvie557]

The content in this thread is one of the reasons why I stopped leading JM and left Junker RP entirely.

You can stop lying now, we all know Impy was always the true leader of JM : )

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