' Wrote:The problem isn't so much the stuff outside of the rules, but the stuff inside the rules that is still... distasteful and ooRP, despite being legal.
If system chat is being used oorp that violates server rule 3.4 or something like that.
Can you give me an example of a chat you reported that was deemed within the rules but was still distatful?
We started talking about something similar a while ago, judging from how the OC regulations go, we may implement something similar.
As a Corsair, I understand what the Outcasts are going through, it really is disgusting how many people fly capital ships without a single reason to. They sit there in their battleship, thinking they're the cock of the walk, suddenly ordering people around (not even in RP, stuff like "nub listen to what i say or i kill you")...
That being said, I think the current regulations are a bit harsh.
What would be better is, all battleships should be allowed.
If a battleship captain is deemed to be orrp/being an ass whatever, the factions decide, whether this guy's ship should be taken away or not? Little voting maybe, then inform the battleship captain, they need to shape up or lose the ship, and make em post a page.
It's friendlier that way, you give people a chance to 'act good' before you get the stick out..
If people want an example of how some capital ship captains behave...
Good example:
A while back I got a cruiser, my first. I was excited and asked a nearby player to duel me. We fought, we examined what happened, fought again, gave each other feedback on loadouts, then put the cruisers away.
Now, that guy's gotten a battleship, an Osiris, but DOESN'T abuse it. He doesn't RP it either, but he never uses it unless a battleship(s)/battlecruiser(s) attack Gamma. Which I think is perfectly fine.
Bad example:
A while before the aforementioned encounter, there was a guy with a cruiser. He challenged me to a duel against my gunboat, I thought why not, I lost. After that, whenever he saw me, he asked for a duel, why not? It's good practise, so I fought and lost to him often. Then gaining rank with OPG, I was given control of the OPG's flagship the Torquemada, said cruiser pilot sees me in a battleship and goes "what you got a battleship? now I can't kill you
Next day, I hear he's saving up for a battleship... He was horribly oorp in his cruiser and he's now only 150 million short and I dread the day he managed to get one...
The situation IS serious, now I'm not sure if the regulations need to be this strict, but some regulating IS necessary.
Mule has the right idea I think. Instead of instantly blowing them up, tell them tips or whatever to help them out.
Check back a day later. If you still get "captain lulz here, nomads r down" then feel free to blast.
Also, I would consider in-game roleplay a part of the Battleship/dreadnaught thing. Some people might not be able to write a story, but they may be able to converse between captains about their recent histories.
*that last sentence may sound silly, it's early here..*
Quote:I'd like to ask whether there will be a definition somewhere of what will be acceptable as good RP?
Mr. Pineapples, there is no set definition, however, much like our possession of a sense of right or wrong, we can differentiate good RP from bad RP without much difficulty.
Quote:Equally there will be players whose first language is not English, and to a greater or lesser extent they will be limited in how well they can RP
English isn't there first language? I don't mean to sound like an elitist bastard, but tough. This is an English server, and if they can't speak the language, then they can't RP with us. RP is a thing of communication.
Quote:I'm also wondering whether this is an issue about cap ships or RP? I have to ask that if Cap ships are felt to be unbalancing the game when in the wrong hands why are we not be requesting them to be banned, and removed from the game altogether?
This has been tried before, and shot down vehemently. Capital ships are not in themselves bad, they server a purpose. However, the abuse of anything is bad, and capital ships are no exception. For example, abusing drugs and abusing coffee are both dangerous, however, drugs are abused much more often and to much more devastating affect. This is true of capital ships and fighters/bombers as well.
Quote:But RP'ing a character is a lot less clear, and a lot harder to make clear.
I have to disagree, as stated in my first point.
Thank you, Twilight Song, very insightful. Yeah, Mule, the Corsairs should do something similar.
' Wrote:Battleship - This is the Reconquista, we've been commissioned for the defense of Malta. State your intentions.
RoS - Whoa...what's that Dreadnought doing in front of Malta, amigo!?
101st - No idea.
Battleship - Hi.
RoS - State your intentions!
*No response*
101st - State your intentions! You are in violation of Outcast space!
Battleship - But i r outcast
RoS - If you do not state your intentions immediately, you will be engaged and destroyed!
Battleship - lol
Battleship - I am in bttleship. u cant kill me.
I'd kill him too in the above case...hehe.
I know you are all being clear and that your intentions are sincere and I don't even think you all intend to abuse it--but if you read carefully some of the statements made here, and read them as an independent character, they are not "inviting" and they do come across as borderline hostile and threatening.
You've identified "independent" players as "the problem" and thats the beginning of alienating others. Then you assume your faction is better prepared to judge and enforce than most others and that compounds it. Then you issue ultimatums backed by the threat of group force to make players do what you say.
Spin it how you want--even with the best of intentions--its cliquish and excluding in tone.
In the above case--nothing even needs to be given as a new "directive". Current policies make it clear how its to be handled.
' Wrote:We started talking about something similar a while ago, judging from how the OC regulations go, we may implement something similar.
As a Corsair, I understand what the Outcasts are going through, it really is disgusting how many people fly capital ships without a single reason to. They sit there in their battleship, thinking they're the cock of the walk, suddenly ordering people around (not even in RP, stuff like "nub listen to what i say or i kill you")...
That being said, I think the current regulations are a bit harsh.
What would be better is, all capital ships are allowed.
If a capital ship captain is deemed to be orrp/being an ass whatever, the factions decide, whether this guy's ship should be taken away or not? Little voting maybe, then inform the capship captain, they need to shape up or lose the ship, and make em post a page.
It's friendlier that way, you give people a chance to 'act good' before you get the stick out..
That might work pretty well, but if its obvious from conversation that they just don't care then just kill them.
@Akumabito: nothing comes to mind right now, but I assure you that having a battleship stationed outside Malta not say anything when addressed repeatedly is at the least distasteful and at the most ooRP, but perfectly legal. And no, they were not AFK, they shot up BHG whenever they got close. Just no talking, nothing.
Also, there is little need for everything to be set in stone: from your short time here, I have seen you picking on keeping things VERY objective, which while understandable simply doesn't work. There IS no absolute test for RP, and there really can't be. I trust the leaders of these factions to make the right decisions, if you don't trust them then you are entitled to that. However, don't expect much response from trying to make it objective since that's impossible. Well, a border is impossible, but you can find examples of universally agreeable good and bad and develop your own sense of it- which everyone here has, whether they know it or not.
' Wrote:@Akumabito: nothing comes to mind right now, but I assure you that having a battleship stationed outside Malta not say anything when addressed repeatedly is at the least distasteful and at the most ooRP, but perfectly legal. And no, they were not AFK, they shot up BHG whenever they got close. Just no talking, nothing.
And there may be valid reasons for that, and there may not be, but that example, silence isn't the leet speak lol example either, if the guy is sitting there quiet then what's the real issue with that?
' Wrote:Also, there is little need for everything to be set in stone: from your short time here, I have seen you picking on keeping things VERY objective, which while understandable simply doesn't work. There IS no absolute test for RP, and there really can't be. I trust the leaders of these factions to make the right decisions, if you don't trust them then you are entitled to that. However, don't expect much response from trying to make it objective since that's impossible. Well, a border is impossible, but you can find examples of universally agreeable good and bad and develop your own sense of it- which everyone here has, whether they know it or not.
I don't disagree with you, but you and I both know that the factions are more than their leaders and that there are different levels of RP. The short answer is I don't trust the factions to approve what ships I can and cannot fly.
Plus it simply won't work. So you kill the cap ships, so what? They move to another system or wait till you're not around, and they get worse from the resentment, you kill them again, it's a big pissing screaming match that ends up in the admins lap eventually.
And believe me, I've seen this before on other RP servers. It's not a new issue, it's just one that get overblown I think, in part because when you are in a clan you usually aren't allowed a cap ship unless you are the leader or his buddies, so that naturally breeds clan resentment, and clans generally start thinking they own 100% of that faction, so they start to target the indies who don't want to join.
Right now, if people are talking crap oorp in chat, you have an official avenue to handle it through the rules. If they are not then let them play.
I have not read all as this is a huge disgusting monster. I also may be known as one of the outspoken of "capship rights" or just a capwhore by some out there.
The points I wanted to bring to light is I see no cap ship plague. Most of the ooRP I see comes from traders who get thier sock sanctioned off and ussually learn by the time they hit thier first cap. That being said there are some hard rocks out there.
A cap may be the most defended possible platform to ooRP from but it is also the most laden with sanctionable threat. While bombers can attack ANYONE and do more damage than ANYTHING in the game, thus giveing those who want thier top gun experience more room for non sanctionable ooRP.
Limit bombers. Every faction has like a dozen and uses them primarily, along with every faction has supernova on almost every bomber they have. I think it is suspect and convienently overlooked that bombers from the poorest of the poor(Xenos) to the richest of rich(Outcast) have the same Order state of the art weaponary.
I think if this idea were fair it would not be so class focused. While caps are constantly under the micro scope the bomber slips and slides where ever anyone wants it.
Lets beaware of the inverse machismo of the smaller the ship the bigger the........RPer.
Just some chewing gum for the mind, take it or leave it. Thank you for your help in my post I hope to return the favor, in the same spirit given. no offence ment here of any kind. Take care, and remember that just because this is the internet doesn't give the right to be disrespectfull of others. (if the shoe fits, wear it)
Please note, the following isn't meant to be trial-by-forum. I simply feel that I need to provide examples to demonstrate my point.
' Wrote:The points I wanted to bring to light is I see no cap ship plague.
I regularly see half a dozen capital ships in New York, the bulk of which are independent and sitting above Manhattan (one that springs to mind was threatening to destroy a trader who destroyed a civilian in self defense, even arguing with the LSF when told to let it go), recently saw a Lane Hacker battleship just sitting by the California->Magellan jump gate blowing up NPCs (and using the Spyglass in such a manner is very out-of-character for the Lane Hackers, from what I've gathered), a Corsair attacking people randomly without warning above Leeds in an IMG battlecruiser...
So, I have a question for you, ScornStar: where the hell are you flying!?
(Edit: Oh, right. I'm in support of this decision.)