(07-13-2016, 09:07 PM)TheSauron Wrote: Don't you guys think that the fight at Southampton was a little bit of an overkill on your part?
EDIT: HMS-Edinburgh here. I am not talking about whatever happened before as I simply haven't seen it.
Nope, not at all. As Shaggy said below in the nice quote, "At the start I know it was 4 of them vs like 6 or 7 of our fighters."
For your information, I, along with an indie that arrived moments later, were the only Bretonian lawfuls present on the scene. I arrived after HMS-Tiger died. Should I assume it's okay in your book to pile on any hostile you encounter after a battle?
(07-13-2016, 09:07 PM)TheSauron Wrote: Don't you guys think that the fight at Southampton was a little bit of an overkill on your part?
EDIT: HMS-Edinburgh here. I am not talking about whatever happened before as I simply haven't seen it.
If I had more patience I would've dueled you and the other gb but after being there for 3 hours constantly dodging and shooting I lost all my patience and just wanted it to be over.
I'm sorry, I'll deliver you something better next time.
Afternoon guys, I am hopefully going to write this to you in a calm, respectful manner but no promises. But I would honestly like some questions answered.
I have no clue how to ask these questions without it sounding like im mad or angry. But the performance of GRN in the fight in Tau 23 is unacceptable coming from an official faction having a pvp skill of maybe the best on the server and having to gank my pilots who are either really new to pvp or don't pvp at all just to have a "win". There has been no fun for my members, we log to bring activity and we are trying to make CR|- better and have activity in Tau's again or with GRN. But it seems every time we fight GRN it is ganks, you bring more fighters and go 3 v 1 on our pilots or you just have to bring alot more numbers. CR|- don't have that many people in there and there will be a rollcall soon, most of the members we are are rather new to pvp and I am just curious as being 1IC as to why you think ganking low skill level players, not being able to give them a "Fair fight" or a "Fun fight" but having to absolutely humiliate them destroy them within minutes.
If I am correct you destroyed 3 fighters within 3 minutes or something along those lines. I managed to get from the FP in Tau 29 to Tau 23 Java station as the Panzer was on flames then seconds later the last fighter went down.
I appreciate that you tried to keep pilots out of the fight but I also appreciate that Wesker tried to duel players. Wesker is a nice guy, I have respect for him but I do not have respect of taking you as a faction taking my pilots down with very poor roleplay from what I have been told and not only that but here are a few images from the fight.
I just would like to know why you think ganking like this is acceptable, and how does this make it fun and fair for both sides or are you now a faction that just wants to take over ingame, inrp, and oorp and start pushing members away from this community and mod. I am just upset that this come from a group of very expierenced and even veteran players.
(07-25-2016, 07:56 PM)Shaggy Wrote: Afternoon guys, I am hopefully going to write this to you in a calm, respectful manner but no promises. But I would honestly like some questions answered.
Why thank you, I appreciate you writing this all calm.
(07-25-2016, 07:56 PM)Shaggy Wrote: I have no clue how to ask these questions without it sounding like im mad or angry. But the performance of GRN in the fight in Tau 23 is unacceptable coming from an official faction having a pvp skill of maybe the best on the server and having to gank my pilots who are either really new to pvp or don't pvp at all just to have a "win". There has been no fun for my members, we log to bring activity and we are trying to make CR|- better and have activity in Tau's again or with GRN. But it seems every time we fight GRN it is ganks, you bring more fighters and go 3 v 1 on our pilots or you just have to bring alot more numbers. CR|- don't have that many people in there and there will be a rollcall soon, most of the members we are are rather new to pvp and I am just curious as being 1IC as to why you think ganking low skill level players, not being able to give them a "Fair fight" or a "Fun fight" but having to absolutely humiliate them destroy them within minutes.
Personally, I feel it was acceptable, as I saw no unfairness during the time of the engagements. We didn't "gank" any of your pilots, unless you consider a 1 v 1 as a gank, then that's not my problem.
I do apologize your members had no fun, but it seems to me no fun was had because they didn't come out with a "win"? I also appreciate you trying to make CR| a better faction and make it more active again. +1 for that.
(07-25-2016, 07:56 PM)Shaggy Wrote: If I am correct you destroyed 3 fighters within 3 minutes or something along those lines. I managed to get from the FP in Tau 29 to Tau 23 Java station as the Panzer was on flames then seconds later the last fighter went down.
Incorrect. Fight did not lost 3 minutes. Although, one of your fighters fell victim to a "Gallic Antimatter Cannon" within 30 seconds of the beginning of the fight.
(07-25-2016, 07:56 PM)Shaggy Wrote: I appreciate that you tried to keep pilots out of the fight but I also appreciate that Wesker tried to duel players. Wesker is a nice guy, I have respect for him but I do not have respect of taking you as a faction taking my pilots down with very poor roleplay from what I have been told and not only that but here are a few images from the fight.
Yes, thank you, I appreciate you appreciating me. And yes, Wesker is a good guy. He didn't try dueling your pilots, he DID duel your pilots. I also take offense that you say that about my pilots that they had "very poor roleplay".
(07-25-2016, 07:56 PM)Shaggy Wrote: I just would like to know why you think ganking like this is acceptable, and how does this make it fun and fair for both sides or are you now a faction that just wants to take over ingame, inrp, and oorp and start pushing members away from this community and mod. I am just upset that this come from a group of very expierenced and even veteran players.
Once again, wasn't a gank, not sure how many times I'll have to say that throughout this reply. Like I mentioned above, I do apologize if your members didn't have fun, but using the "GRN GANKS EVERYTHING" as a excuse or even "they didn't have good RP before engaging" is a bit ridiculous as well.
As for the images you posted. They are very vague. And by very, I mean vvveeerrryyy. Lets go one by one then.
1st screenshot: Taken at least 15 minutes into the battle. Also shows a 2v1 in favor of your side.
2nd screenshot: Very nice, you took a screenshot of all forces there. Were they shooting you? Nope.
3rd screenshot: Nighthammer and Alice Marie having a duel while myself in the background watching it unfold and your OOC message.
4th screenshot: 2v2 with 1 bomber shooting you and two fighters shooting Alice Marie. Again, seems like a advantage for you.
5th screenshot: Still a 2v2. You saying 1 more GRN came, which didn't engage. Not sure what's the point of this screenshot here.
6th screenshot: You telling someone to hurry up and hugging a Battleship. Okay. Advantage to you, once again.
7th screenshot: Yup, you decided to escape when we offered you a duel with Alice Marie, and everyone shot you BECAUSE you decided to continue to run. Even Nighthammer says "CR NEVER RUNS", how ironic.
8th screenshot: Same one as 6th....
9th screenshot: You fleeing from a duel. Aka, fair fight.
10th screenshot: Taken like 20 seconds after your second pilot fell, which is when I told the two hugging each other in the screenshot to disengage and let Alice Marie duel the last one.
11th screenshot: Avante Garde hoping in instead of a bomber, making it 2 fighters vs 2 fighters. Not sure how is that unfair.
For future reference, can you post the screenshots in order? They are all over the place, and you make GRN look like we're ruthless players. That is why I explained all of the screenshots above, to anyone reading this and thinking GRN are thirsty for a win.
With that said, we also have a video of the whole fight. Courtesy of ART_GR. If you would like to see it, I will ask ART to send it to you after he uploads.
I managed to shoot some part. Video slightly clipped on moment 5:20 (~2:20 min fight. Nothing is happening).
At 4:04 I was told to cease fire. To make it all fair.
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Kudos for the fight <3