To: Human Beings

[Reid]

>mrw people try to tell me rap isn't art

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[Arioch]

Going to address both arguments, about school then Rap:

As a (new) parent of a 7 year old in a public school, I will say that the education system, specifically math being taught now, is ridiculous in the US. My soon-to-be mother inlaw is a CPA, insanely smart with numbers, and even she refuses to help with math homework with our little one, because the way they teach it is so convoluted and backwards, it's infuriating.

So with everything being said here, I both agree and disagree. I think there are a wide variety of classes that are being taught the WRONG way, or the curriculum is so backwards that it doesn't provide any advantage. But to have a blanket statement that you shouldn't go to school is wrong as well. If anything, it should prompt people to look at alternatives to public schools (At least here in the US). I was partially home-schooled, as well as started college at 15 so finished my high school education in college. My little brother and sister though, are in a Montessori school, which while not for everyone, has an amazing atmosphere and method of teaching (Hell, the founders of Google and Amazon had Montessori educations). Anyway, point is that there is a lot wrong with our education system here in the US, but there are alternatives to consider if you don't want to be in a public school.

Now, with regards rap. Look at how music has evolved over the years. Elvis Presley is his earlier days when he was gaining popularity was met with a ton of criticism and hate. Hell riots would break out over his music/at his concerts. Even further back, look at swing music. It was looked down upon by old generations as too risque and inappropriate for the younger generation to listen to. It now though is acceptable and looked at as classics.

The point is, rap is newer (in relation to say Swing music, Jazz, etc) but that doesn't mean that it's not a "lesser" form of music. To claim that "rap is for unintelligent people" or that those who enjoy rap or make rap music are less intelligent is wrong, and is a very similar thought process to the generations of old who said the same about rock music or as I said, swing music even. It is just a different form of expression. Does that mean everyone has to enjoy it? No. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To lessen that beauty because you yourself can not see it, does not make it less beautiful to someone else. For me, I don't listen to rap that much. but I respect it and the few songs/artists I do listen to, I find incredibly talented and their avenue of expression beautiful to listen to, even if it's not traditionally what I listen to on a day to day basis.

So please don't take the ignorant route and make such a blanket statement that "Rap is for less intelligent people". It's a form of music that millions enjoy, so who are you to be say that they are all less intelligent than you for enjoying something different?

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[Reid]

Okay now that I've (mostly) read through the thread here are my thoughts:

The American educational system is a joke. For example, history class. Every year it was always the revolutionary war, the civil war, and how America won World War 2. Other topics such as the Sumerians, the HRE, or the Byzantine Empire were not touched upon, and if they were, it was for a very short time. I legitimately learned more about history from playing bloody Total War and Paradox games than I did in the 10 years of history classes I took in the US. For a few years I went to school up in Canada, and that really opened my eyes as to how bad the system in the US is. Learning was more hands on, more active, and less reading page after page after page here bubble a few things in ok next lesson. School in the US wasn't a challenge. I slept through half of high school, missed more than 30 days in a semester, and they pushed me through (because I should have failed after skipping 7 days) because my test scores were so high. And the amount of bias I saw in high school towards the sports team members was outrageous. It's simply broken.

Second argument, for the people saying that rap is "for dummies", you're wrong. Not all rap music is hardcore gangster ICP stuff. Ok yea a lot of songs are going to be about bitches, hoes, and fudge the police. That's just the culture that rap music comes out of. Like what I keep trying to tell people about factions in Discovery, NOT EVERYTHING IS A HIVEMIND OF STEREOTYPES. Is rap my favorite genre? Nah, but I do like a lot of artists that make the music. Example, Mac Lethal, the fellow I linked above. A lot of his songs are about his experiences, the struggles of his family, and various stories. Does he also have songs about bitches and hoes? Well yea, like I said, that's a part of the culture. Does it make his music uneducated trash? No, because that's fudging stupid. Saying that the OP is wrong because of rap music, ignoring the message it's trying to convey, because rap music doesn't use "educated words", is exactly what the OP is trying to fight against. You're judging an entire genre of music based on the fact that it can't climb a tree. Good job. You're propagating the downfall of education

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq7_NNvyb_o
https://maclethal.bandcamp.com/track/morimoto-just-duet
https://maclethal.bandcamp.com/track/war-drum
https://maclethal.bandcamp.com/track/07-sentra

By the way this fellow just released a new album, but I haven't had time to fully listen to all the songs on it, or else I woulda linked a song from it

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[Durandal]

As a 3d artist who dropped out of high school, I find this entire thread to be extremely amusing.

[Reid]

As a 3d artist who dropped out of high school, I find this entire thread to be extremely amusing.

ok but durry that's implying the stuff you make is good (^:

[Xenon]

So please don't take the ignorant route and make such a blanket statement that "Rap is for less intelligent people". It's a form of music that millions enjoy, so who are you to be say that they are all less intelligent than you for enjoying something different?

+1 for that phrase, and in addition to it, i would like to say that considering Rap is for less intelligent people is a thought of non-experienced person at all regarding Rap.
There are many Rap songs that address topics and help in fixing them so if this is for less intelligent people then i wonder, what the word "intelligent" exactly means in your book.

So he’s basically saying don’t go to school? Kids should not have to go to school?

The guy didn't say don't go to school and anyone who argue that point just prove to everyone that he didn't even listen to 1 complete minute from that demonstration video.
Take a closer look, it says we need to enhance schools to be better and it's not fair that cars 150 years ago are less advanced and poor in design and effect than today's cars while our educate systems are still almost the same from 150 years ago till now. The idea is totally and completely not discussing getting rid of schools or not going to schools ....

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[Corile]

it says we need to enhance schools to be better

It doesn't say how though,. All this talking about Finland's "shorter school days" and "less homework" is literally pandering to the people who can't be arsed to open their textbook in the evening. It's not that "less studying" will automagically make the students learn better.

Also what's Signapore.

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[Xenon]

It doesn't say how though,. All this talking about Finland's "shorter school days" and "less homework" is literally pandering to the people who can't be arsed to open their textbook in the evening. It's not that "less studying" will automagically make the students learn better.

Also what's Signapore.

He was just demonstrating, and demonstration require some examples from here and there to reach a certain understanding. This doesn't mean that he is offering a solution, but he is just mentioning that some few other nations started realizing that changing the system to better one will help them grow more intelligent generation. He just presented some examples as Finland just to say that to siege the problem and know it very good is a good start to fix it. I believe that if the nations started realizing that the system is not correct, then they will start going forward by trying new systems just like what finland did, and look at them now, they have better education system and better results.

And .... it's Singapore not Signapore
Singapore is an island city-state off southern Malaysia, is a global financial center with a tropical climate and multicultural population

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