Red Hessian Army feedback

[pulha]

I already told you I wouldn't do it again. I had fun, I don't see why others didn't. People got blues after all.

This sentence tells everything Wesker

Not everyone joins things for blues. I'm sure there were players on Corsair and BAF sides, that were there only to help activity and fly a bit with their friends.

If you had fun, well kudos to you, but that doesn't mean others had fun. If you can't see why, then you should take a step back and maybe you will see that everything doesn't revolve just around you and your needs.

Edit: grammar

[xiphos]

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=141434

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=143390

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=146864



So. he we are again. The RHA and the POB's. This time with Breuninger. Another POB your faction try to extort. I guess they are not willing to pay. All cool. I'm not the owner, I'm not in the faction who owns it. i've just had fun supplying it with Uncut Diamonds and Copper Ore for the faction i am affiliated to and i don't mind when Breuninger is gone not as much as the owner does. Obviously. Though, i believe it would be better not to extort or destroy any activity generating POB you find in Rheinland. You should just log more RHA ships to RP with the traders or miners working for the POB's. I was online a lot in Rheinland in Omega 7 and Omega 11 with a Miner named D.H.C.~Omega-7 or Omega-11 just to get a bit attention. And you know what? Nothing happend. Only an independent Pirate. And the RP with him was awesome.

But anyways. Back to Breuninger. My question is, how do you justify an attack with more than 10 RH Battleships at the Capital Planet of New Berlin then? With a "because we can" again? I mean. Omega 7 ok. It is wild, it is dangerous. (or it it should be). An attack there is justified maybe. Even if it is an ooRP battleship fleet. But not a base siege in New Berlin at the, again, Capital Planet of Rheinland. The RHA is not as powerful as you want to make them. You think you can destroy every POB without consequences inRP because you just have the numbers ooRP? I know the RHA is not the only faction with an attitude like this but that is powergaming. Nothing more nothing less. About time the Admins step in here.

[xiphos]

Another question. What about the Nassau Station at Planet New Berlin? A Republican base. Only a few klicks away from Breuninger? How is this station different to the other? Can't find a "taxation" thread for Nassau Space Port. Or do you just extort the active stations? Just to make money without much effort? Unlike the POB owners who are doing a lot to keep their Stations alive.

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[Wesker]

You should just log more RHA ships to RP with the traders or miners working for the POB's. I was online a lot in Rheinland in Omega 7 and Omega 11 with a Miner named D.H.C.~Omega-7 or Omega-11 just to get a bit attention. And you know what? Nothing happend. Only an independent Pirate. And the RP with him was awesome.

We do RP with traders in the Omegas, our definition of "RP" just might not be the same as yours. The primary fleet doesn't engage in piracy against non-Bretonian or Kruger or Daumann traders for the sake of our lore and the fact that I don't want trading in Rheinland to completely die.

But anyways. Back to Breuninger. My question is, how do you justify an attack with more than 10 RH Battleships at the Capital Planet of New Berlin then? With a "because we can" again? I mean. Omega 7 ok. It is wild, it is dangerous. (or it it should be). An attack there is justified maybe. Even if it is an ooRP battleship fleet. But not a base siege in New Berlin at the, again, Capital Planet of Rheinland. The RHA is not as powerful as you want to make them. You think you can destroy every POB without consequences inRP because you just have the numbers ooRP? I know the RHA is not the only faction with an attitude like this but that is powergaming. Nothing more nothing less. About time the Admins step in here.

How does GRN raid New London with 12 valors for an official event made by the Admins when inrp they have no idea where the the New London Jumphole is located in Leeds?

How does the Core raid Mu when Mu is supposed to impenetrable?

How do the Hessians raid Gamma when Gamma is supposed to be the locked down home system of the Corsairs? How do we bring jorms right next to Crete and fight?

How does the RM march into omicron Xi next to the corsair shipyard inrp when they don't even know where it is inrp????????

The RM technically have no knowledge of Omega-54, but how do things like this happen inrp????????????????????

This whole logic of gameplay=rp is stupid. This argument has come up for ages, yes we don't have a GRN size fleet inrp. Am I going to let that dictate RHA's gameplay or the extortion ring that RHA has been doing since before I was leader mind you? No. Yes its outside Planet New Berlin , do I claim inrp that 20 jorms rolled up to the base and blew it up? No.

Every faction ever pulls stunts like this with raids. The argument of weather or not raids or attacks near home planets make sense inrp is a dumb trap bait question. If people followed that logic, we would have far less pvp interactions or RP interactions for that matter. It's not powergaming, its unlawful roleplay, welcome to the reality of unlawfuls. We aren't nice people, we don't act nice inrp. Its a common trait that almost every unlawful faction I see now lacks, they have this cuddly warm "we must be friends w u but we shjote all red cus... yea" attitude and it makes me cringe everytime. Would an angry Hessian tell his life story to a Daumann employee hauling diamonds in omega-11? I know I most certainly wouldn't.

If its really powergaming why didn't the admins stop blodo or Zayne or Aerelm or literally any leader of the RHA ever from doing it years ago? Ask yourself that before making accusations like this on the forums please.

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[Wesker]

Another question. What about the Nassau Station at Planet New Berlin? A Republican base. Only a few klicks away from Breuninger? How is this station different to the other? Can't find a "taxation" thread for Nassau Space Port. Or do you just extort the active stations? Just to make money without much effort? Unlike the POB owners who are doing a lot to keep their Stations alive.

I taxed Reutlingen, and intend to do the same for Nassau, but currently I have other things I'm busy with irl and inrp. So you could say I am making it easy for RHA at the moment yes.

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[xiphos]

We do RP with traders in the Omegas, our definition of "RP" just might not be the same as yours. The primary fleet doesn't engage in piracy against non-Bretonian or Kruger or Daumann traders for the sake of our lore and the fact that I don't want trading in Rheinland to completely die.

Hm. Don't you think that the POB's are good for Rheinland? I mean, a lot of traders and miners are doing something for them. Which is good for the RHA, so they can log their ships to hunt them down? But it looks like that is not the RP of the RHA these days. Fair enough. I see the the Red Hessians a bit different.

How does GRN raid New London with 12 valors for an official event made by the Admins when inrp they have no idea where the the New London Jumphole is located in Leeds?

How does the Core raid Mu when Mu is supposed to impenetrable?

How do the Hessians raid Gamma when Gamma is supposed to be the locked down home system of the Corsairs? How do we bring jorms right next to Crete and fight?

How does the RM march into omicron Xi next to the corsair shipyard inrp when they don't even know where it is inrp????????

The RM technically have no knowledge of Omega-54, but how do things like this happen inrp????????????????????

Yes. Valid points you bring up here. I think most of them are stupid moves. I also didn't like the Turtles raiding New York. And Omega 54 shouldn't be raided by a RM fleet. True.

This whole logic of gameplay=rp is stupid. This argument has come up for ages, yes we don't have a GRN size fleet inrp. Am I going to let that dictate RHA's gameplay or the extortion ring that RHA has been doing since before I was leader mind you? No. Yes its outside Planet New Berlin , do I claim inrp that 20 jorms rolled up to the base and blew it up? No.

You did not claim anything inRP i think. But you claim that the RHA is able to destroy a Base at Planet New Berlin. With a Jorm fleet.

Every faction ever pulls stunts like this with raids. The argument of weather or not raids or attacks near home planets make sense inrp is a dumb trap bait question. If people followed that logic, we would have far less pvp interactions or RP interactions for that matter. It's not powergaming, its unlawful roleplay, welcome to the reality of unlawfuls. We aren't nice people, we don't act nice inrp. Its a common trait that almost every unlawful faction I see now lacks, they have this cuddly warm "we must be friends w u but we shjote all red cus... yea" attitude and it makes me cringe everytime. Would an angry Hessian tell his life story to a Daumann employee hauling diamonds in omega-11? I know I most certainly wouldn't.

The question is not dumb trap bait. But valid. An unlawful fleet sitting at New Berlin to siege a base is crap inRP. You can have PVP or RP interactions like this in Dresden, Omega 7, Omega 11. And yes. Mostly unlawfuls aren't nice people. And that's how it should work. We need dirty angry pirates and we need the cuddly ones like you like to call them. But i am referring to a possible POB siege at a Capital Planet of a house. With an ooRP fleet.

I also don't expect an angry unlawful player to tell me something about his live for hours. But i don't want to hear the same lame excuses almost any PVP orientated unlawful player is coming up with again and again. "My RP is only shooting. I don't care if you like that or not." Don't get me wrong here. I expect a Red Hessian to shoot me in a Daumann Miner. But i expect atleast a few lines of RP.

If its really powergaming why didn't the admins stop blodo or Zayne or Aerelm or literally any leader of the RHA ever from doing it years ago? Ask yourself that before making accusations like this on the forums please.

Don't know Zayne. But i know Aerelm and Blodo. They did a great job to keep it fair and balanced. Not always maybe. It's not always possible to keep it fair. You can't please everyone. You will always find someone being angry becuase he died. But they didn't show up with 15+ Jorm fleet in New Berlin as i far as i know. Another example is the ]bd[ faction. They didn't show up with a lol Togo fleet in New Tokyo just for the sake of PVP or RP interactions. I don't have problems with events where both sides agree on the terms. But this one is one-sided. I know it is not your fault that there is no RM. But yeah. I don't think it is much of a fair play to extort POB owners without any effort just because you can ooRP.

I taxed Reutlingen, and intend to do the same for Nassau, but currently I have other things I'm busy with irl and inrp. So you could say I am making it easy for RHA at the moment yes.

Do you try to fool anyone in this community with this comment? Your "pay or see your base die" POB tax threads are not that time consuming. No one is buying an excuse like that. Before this post came up i really enjoyed your feedback. So. Can we go back to the serious feedback again?

[Laura C.]

The primary fleet doesn't engage in piracy against non-Bretonian or Kruger or Daumann traders for the sake of our lore and the fact that I don't want trading in Rheinland to completely die.

To add more opinion/feedback, I am quite confused to read this. Can you elaborate about the lore you refering to? I mean if you finally want to be real freedom fighters against establishment again and not Rheinland version of Liberty Rogues which just extort and spread terror, I am all for it.

But you should apply it to everything then. You claim you don´t pirate traders for the sake of lore and because you don´t want to kill trading. That sounds nice and responsible, however first, I don´t think that reasonable piracy can kill trading (though if you want to switch to voluntary donations, go for it), and second - why is not same attitude applied to POBs then? You don´t want to extort traders but in the same time you extort every single POB you are able to find regardless of who the owner is. For quite some time, your "roleplay" towards all POBs is mostly just "50milordai", with two exceptions of "75milordai" and "200milordai". There were little to no attempts to try anything more even towards neutral bases. I am glad RHA moved from killing bases without even talking to owner like it displayed with the Zoner bases in O-7, however it would be nice to see more than just extortion, especially when it comes to neutral Freelancer POBs. For example, how about asking owner to supply RHA with some commodities they have problem to obtain, instead of just "pay or die"? You can save that for Kruger and Daumann because those won´t and can´t support you.

This whole logic of gameplay=rp is stupid. This argument has come up for ages, yes we don't have a GRN size fleet inrp. Am I going to let that dictate RHA's gameplay or the extortion ring that RHA has been doing since before I was leader mind you? No. Yes its outside Planet New Berlin , do I claim inrp that 20 jorms rolled up to the base and blew it up? No.

Every faction ever pulls stunts like this with raids. The argument of weather or not raids or attacks near home planets make sense inrp is a dumb trap bait question. If people followed that logic, we would have far less pvp interactions or RP interactions for that matter.

The crucial different is that common raid does not make permanent damage. People fight, die, make sandwich, relog and move on because nothing was lost. Thus in this case it is okay to sacrifice little of RP logic because it helps to create activity. POBs are different story, their destruction is permanent damage and consequently it means also killing activity because players usually won´t try to build it again and often move elsewhere.

So would it affect RHA´s activity really that much if you would exempt literally one area in whole Rheinland from POB killing, especially when it corresponds with basic roleplay settings? After all, things are always about compromise and official factions are expected to have reasonable self-restrictions as they should have higher standards than just basic "I can do everything what rules do not forbid". For example lawfuls are expected to not camp unlawful bases because inRP they don´t know where they are. Everyone knows it´s bad to do it and if it happens, faction leaders are expected to teach members they should not do it.

Thus, would be that much of an issue for you to let POBs in the vicinity of capital planet off the RHA´s reach because inRP that area is heavily defended and Hessians do not have enough forces to operate there (not to mention risking significant part of assets for very little gain as destruction of said base gives Hessians nothing and economic damages for the establishment are very minor)? Is really 50 (or 75) million credits per month important for you to point where you rather throw even basic roleplay logic out of the window to get it? Especially when you yourself said you care about trading Rheinland and you will benefit from it too as POBs help trading activity. Not all of them of course, but some of them does, remember Solitaire when it belonged Xenon for example. Also, if there will be no ore storages, traders will go trade ores from other places and thus play elsewhere, not to mention mining activity which will be reduced as well.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Zayne Carrick]

Don't know Zayne. But i know Aerelm and Blodo. They did a great job to keep it fair and balanced. Not always maybe.

Hi, I'm Zayne, nice to meet you!

But they didn't show up with 15+ Jorm fleet in New Berlin as i far as i know.

I beg to differ

[Wesker]

Ill reply soon as i get breakfast. No need to break my thumb doing this on my phone

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[xiphos]

Don't know Zayne. But i know Aerelm and Blodo. They did a great job to keep it fair and balanced. Not always maybe.

Hi, I'm Zayne, nice to meet you!

But they didn't show up with 15+ Jorm fleet in New Berlin as i far as i know.

I beg to differ

That's why i said as far as i know. But it looks like, I was wrong about Aerelm/Blodo. Happens sometimes. My apologies.

That doesn't change the fact that the whole situation is wrong, though.