The Heaven's Gate Seige | December (or longer) | Version 2.0 | Explained

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

Natural growth would be hiring someone to design a ship for you. Going into Nomad Lair for one-of-a-kind Yacht blueprints that may exist or not, is not. It's forced decision to complete your ooRP agenda of getting sweet ship.

The Archangel Fighter Club thanks you for your feedback and your option of asking someone to make a ship for us.

We have explained how with reason the blueprints need to exist.
We have also explained what we intend to do with the blueprints when we get them. There will of coarse be modification needed to do including interior modifications.

The Archangel Fighter Club's standards demand that we fly sweet ships and our customers expect the same from us. They need to be the most entertained. We hope you do not feel jealous or threatened by our great choice of quality above all else!

The Archangel Fighter Club also likes to make our RP as spicy and hot as possible. Making a new ship design would be too boring.


The Archangels Fighter Club thanks you for your constructive criticism. We love it when people like you take interest in our faction!!

[Lythrilux]

We politely ask that you do not speak on behalf of another faction. For the purposes of the event, the IFF is not going to be changed. What will change is in phase 3 access to the station. It is poor for the event and not inRP if the nomad forces could spawn right from the station. For the purposes of the event, the balance has shifted.

I am speaking on behalf of Aoi here as Antonio doesn't play anymore and Fran is being a conquistador somewhere. Aoi doesn't want to change control of the station, although you could elaborate what you mean in regards to the phase changes for us please? We could be misinterpreting.

For the following time, the Order with BD had attacked the Gate in the past together. You assume that the Order before was able to do it alone but that is not the case. The AFC this time, and we tell you this again, are the instigators here that went to the Order and BD to do a deal. You can read about it in the posted RP that will give you insight instead of us re-explaining it here.

I'm not sure if I made the point or not in the last thread, but it's bad to make a vanilla comparison as the very means you are using to attack the station didn't exist in vanilla (NEMPs are a Disco addition). Also please keep in mind a lot can happen in 20 years (Order losing Toledo, BD territorial shifts in Kusari, the Gallic War, rise of Aoi and reclamation of the Arch etc), so it's foolish to act like time has been frozen since then.

Also, did you see my replica suggestion? I think it could be a much more positive and easier means for you to get what you want. Aoi isn't trying to deny you a Satsuma (at least, I'm not). We'd just rather have it that you went about obtaining it in a way that made sense (why would we have Satsuma blueprints? We don't even have Tokugawa blueprints...).

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[SnakThree]

Alright, my conclusion is, nothing will change. You can be overly nice and polite about listening to feedback, but it is still the same stubbornness to listen and adapt to it. Not gonna waste my time and energy, trying to help factions be immersive in this mod if they want to be almighty and powergamey.

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[The Archangels Fighter Club]

We politely ask that you do not speak on behalf of another faction. For the purposes of the event, the IFF is not going to be changed. What will change is in phase 3 access to the station. It is poor for the event and not inRP if the nomad forces could spawn right from the station. For the purposes of the event, the balance has shifted.

I am speaking on behalf of Aoi here as Antonio doesn't play anymore and Fran is being a conquistador somewhere. Aoi doesn't want to change control of the station, although you could elaborate what you mean in regards to the phase changes for us please? We could be misinterpreting.

For the following time, the Order with BD had attacked the Gate in the past together. You assume that the Order before was able to do it alone but that is not the case. The AFC this time, and we tell you this again, are the instigators here that went to the Order and BD to do a deal. You can read about it in the posted RP that will give you insight instead of us re-explaining it here.

I'm not sure if I made the point or not in the last thread, but it's bad to make a vanilla comparison as the very means you are using to attack the station didn't exist in vanilla (NEMPs are a Disco addition). Also please keep in mind a lot can happen in 20 years (Order losing Toledo, BD territorial shifts in Kusari, the Gallic War, rise of Aoi and reclamation of the Arch etc), so it's foolish to act like time has been frozen since then.

Also, did you see my replica suggestion? I think it could be a much more positive and easier means for you to get what you want. Aoi isn't trying to deny you a Satsuma (at least, I'm not). We'd just rather have it that you went about obtaining it in a way that made sense (why would we have Satsuma blueprints? We don't even have Tokugawa blueprints...).

The Archangels FIghter Club has made it clear as to how it makes sence the blueprints would be there.
The Club also, for the following time, confirms there are no IFF changes to be made but for Phase 3 we do not want for the purposes of the event for there to be combat docking and for the phase 3 event to feel as though the nomads have to attack properly. For the sake of the event, we are suggesting for the time being of the event that is taking place that no person is allowed to dock on the heaven's gate.
in phase 2, the order/BD/AFC are the ones attack from afar
in phase 3, the routine switches. The Order/BD/AFC will be able to be on a satellite station next to the base. If you wish, we can arrange for the nomad related forces to be on a satellite base in another part of the system so that at least you have some travel time to get to the station instead of simply undocking while being on the attacking side.

The Archangels FIghter Club did not see your suggestion. Please post it again. We cannot see edits all the time. The Archangels FIghter Club have many replies to go through and cannot see everyone. We apologies for not seeing your suggestion and it is very important to us that we have your suggestion.

Thank you for your feedback. It is very important to us!



The AFC also does not follow your logic in how we have to reject lore that has happened and is written down because you think otherwise. Please speak to Golly on your concerns.
We have posted LINKS for the related posts that were posted on Discovery. We recommend you review them.

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

Alright, my conclusion is, nothing will change. You can be overly nice and polite about listening to feedback, but it is still the same stubbornness to listen and adapt to it. Not gonna waste my time and energy, trying to help factions be immersive in this mod if they want to be almighty and powergamey.

The Archangels FIghter Club thanks you for your time and effort.
We welcome you to provide more feedback when you are ready to discuss again. The Archangels FIghter Club tries our best to explain our reasoning being our actions and we believe we have done a good job.

[Lythrilux]

The Archangels FIghter Club has made it clear as to how it makes sence the blueprints would be there.

Well Aoi Iseijin, the people who own the station, are making it clear the blueprints aren't there.

in phase 3, the routine switches. The Order/BD/AFC will be able to be on a satellite station next to the base. If you wish, we can arrange for the nomad related forces to be on a satellite base in another part of the system so that at least you have some travel time to get to the station instead of simply undocking while being on the attacking side.

The concept of the Arch's defences being undermined are what we don't agree with.

The Archangels FIghter Club did not see your suggestion. Please post it again. We cannot see edits all the time. The Archangels FIghter Club have many replies to go through and cannot see everyone. We apologies for not seeing your suggestion and it is very important to us that we have your suggestion.

"What's stopping AFC from just trying to make a Replica?" You know, just seeing pictures of it and going from there. I think something rustic like that would be much more fitting for your roleplay (from my perspective).

The AFC also does not follow your logic in how we have to reject lore that has happened and is written down because you think otherwise. Please speak to Golly on your concerns.
We have posted LINKS for the related posts that were posted on Discovery. We recommend you review them.

In that case, you're cherry picking. You can't say "oh we're attacking this base because Order and BD did it in vanilla" when the very means you are using to justify this attack exists within Disco only. I'm not rejecting the lore. I'm trying to relay to you that these two time periods are a world apart.

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[PRJKTLRD]

Alright, thank you for the clarifications. However, I'd recommend you a different approach to criticism and feedback, rather than giving salty responses. I mean, that's how they appear to me, and I got no idea why.

My suggestion is to summon all the leaders here. Of course of official factions. Of the Order, Blood Dragons, Nomads, Wild (well he is already here) and AFC (here). Let them in continuity write their responses, do they agree with all the terms above, or they do not.

The picture will be more clearer then for everyone. You won't have to deal with stuff that you do not want. It happens because, you did write a lot but you didn't clarify things.

[Dave Synk]

"Come to us."

-Nomads, Wilde, Aoi and associates

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Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
- Sovereign

[PRJKTLRD]

My suggestion is to summon all the leaders here. Of course of official factions. Of the Order, Blood Dragons, Nomads, Wild (well he is already here) and AFC (here). Let them in continuity write their responses, do they agree with all the terms above, or they do not.

Now my man, here's the problem. How many of those... NPC factions have their active official representatives?

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<"From Darkness, lead me to Light. From Ignorance, to Truth. From Death, to Immortality.">

Jared Nomak ||  The rise of the Overlord || The Commune

[The Archangels Fighter Club]

The Archangels FIghter Club has made it clear as to how it makes sence the blueprints would be there.

Well Aoi Iseijin, the people who own the station, are making it clear the blueprints aren't there.

in phase 3, the routine switches. The Order/BD/AFC will be able to be on a satellite station next to the base. If you wish, we can arrange for the nomad related forces to be on a satellite base in another part of the system so that at least you have some travel time to get to the station instead of simply undocking while being on the attacking side.

The concept of the Arch's defences being undermined are what we don't agree with.

The Archangels FIghter Club did not see your suggestion. Please post it again. We cannot see edits all the time. The Archangels FIghter Club have many replies to go through and cannot see everyone. We apologies for not seeing your suggestion and it is very important to us that we have your suggestion.

"What's stopping AFC from just trying to make a Replica?" You know, just seeing pictures of it and going from there. I think something rustic like that would be much more fitting for your roleplay (from my perspective).

The AFC also does not follow your logic in how we have to reject lore that has happened and is written down because you think otherwise. Please speak to Golly on your concerns.
We have posted LINKS for the related posts that were posted on Discovery. We recommend you review them.

In that case, you're cherry picking. You can't say "oh we're attacking this base because Order and BD did it in vanilla" when the very means you are using to justify this attack exists within Disco only. I'm not rejecting the lore. I'm trying to relay to you that these two time periods are a world apart.

The Archangels Fighter Club has spoken to the higher powers that be and has confirmed that the blueprints are most likely to be there. We have explained why an Emperor's Blueprints would be on the Emperors Stronghold. We will need a more valid source saying they are not there besides a person that was just given apparently Aoi leadership not long ago while in fact this discussion was a long time ago in the making. Furthermore, the sight of the ship is a rarity. You are asking something that is impossible to do and YOU are cherry picking that instead of blueprints, you want it to be a picture. Tomato, Potato. Blueprints vs Picture.

The Archangels are building the ship. We have expressed that it will be a replica, hence the modification and the act of BUILDING it.
Actually, by definition, a replica means an exact copy. We are in fact not making an exact copy. What is your point?

The Archangel Fighter Club does not cherry pick. The only cherry's that we pick are those that then work in our night clubs to entertain our guests.

Thank you for your criticism and recommendations. We greatly appreciate it.