Can I swear in Stories and Biographies?

[Guild Of St Patrick]

The use of profanity seems to be a common practice in todays society
BUT
It also reflects the inability to express oneself via normal dialect and conversation.

There are Admin rules on the server for a very clear purpose.
Perhaps one is that also in todays society we are not permitted to offend in any manner.

[Marburg]

The use of profanity seems to be a common practice in todays society
BUT
It also reflects the inability to express oneself via normal dialect and conversation.

There are Admin rules on the server for a very clear purpose.
Perhaps one is that also in todays society we are not permitted to offend in any manner.

The use of profanity was common not only in today's society, but in yesterdays society, & the society the day before yesterday, & every single society since, like, ever.

I completely disagree that it reflects on one's inability to express ones self, on the contrary, it absolutely enhances expression.

There are no server rules against being offensive, if there were, then EVERYBODY would get sanctioned ALL THE TIME.

As I've always understood Igiss's Mandate, The swear rule exists as simply a matter of overall class that the forums should adhere to.

In principal, I'm totally on board with the concept.

In practice, (see any of my posts in this thread) the reality is different.

I personally think that as long as the spirit of the law is followed, then the letter of the law need not be enforced by the staff

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[Kazinsal]

Burg, dude. It's not 2009 anymore. Igiss' mandate doesn't mean a damn thing anymore.

Discovery has moved on. It's your choice whether to move with it or move on from it. Just give it a rest.

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Retired, permanently.

[Marburg]

Burg, dude. It's not 2009 anymore. Igiss' mandate doesn't mean a damn thing anymore.

Discovery has moved on. It's your choice whether to move with it or move on from it. Just give it a rest.

So, what's your point? What's your position, Dude? I know Igiss is long gone (the "DUH!" is silent)

but the fact remains no matter if you like it not, that it's still a good rule of thumb.

deal with it.

If you have a valid argument, then let's have it, Buddy Guy.

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[SnakThree]

@Marburg If you claim there is little of difference between actual swear word and swear word with asterisk, then what's the difference if we would be allowed to actually write full swear word inRP vs not-full swear word inRP? I am yet to hear your own argument except the "there's no difference", which can go both ways.

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[Marburg]

@Marburg If you claim there is little of difference between actual swear word and swear word with asterisk, then what's the difference if we would be allowed to actually write full swear word inRP vs not-full swear word inRP? I am yet to hear your own argument except the "there's no difference", which can go both ways.

I said already in essence that it would segregate InRP from OoRP misunderstandings

To put a finer point on it, if one can show the ability to self-censor by nothing more than a single letter, then they also show the ability to get almost exactly what they want, while at the same time sticking to the spirit of the rules.

I'm still curious, not a single one of you has given a valid reason why the swearing rule should be nixed overall...not even one.

I'd totally be game for hearing one or two, though.


Still waiting...

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[Backo]

I'm still curious, not a single one of you has given a valid reason why the swearing rule should be nixed overall...not even one.

I'd totally be game for hearing one or two, though.

Still waiting...

"Everything I don't like is not a valid opinion."

Plenty of people (including myself) have listed why they consider the forced censorship to be moot and restraining but you've simply ignored them as not valid enough opinion.

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[Marburg]

I'm still curious, not a single one of you has given a valid reason why the swearing rule should be nixed overall...not even one.

I'd totally be game for hearing one or two, though.

Still waiting...

"Everything I don't like is not a valid opinion."

Plenty of people (including myself) have listed why they consider the forced censorship to be moot and restraining but you've simply ignored them as not valid enough opinion.

Show me exactly where I posted, "Everything I don't like is not a valid opinion."

I freely admit I'm a combative bastard, but show me one single post that of all those plenty of people you refer to & say it in your own words. Then, explain in your own words how my position is unreasonable.

I would welcome that.

If I'm wrong, please prove it...I'm cool with that too.

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[Backo]

Show me exactly where I posted, "Everything I don't like is not a valid opinion."

I freely admit I'm a combative bastard, but show me one single post that of all those plenty of people you refer to & say it in your own words. Then, explain in your own words how my position is unreasonable.

I would welcome that.

If I'm wrong, please prove it...I'm cool with that too.

Here are some examples you just dismissed as not valid that I found just by skimming through the last page.

#32
#37
#43
#48

Essentially all valid opinions as to why censoring shouldn't really be there that you've dismissed as "I have not seen a valid opinion yet".

Also if you think having no rule would mean everyone would swear all the time I highly doubt it. In fact I've seen less swearing in communities where such a rule does not exist than from you in this thread while bypassing the filter, thus further proving the point that this censorship is fairly useless and generally only hurts those who haven't yet learned how to get around it. And I'm talking about communities that live on memes and rivalry banter.

How much more tasteful is writing "effin" or "frack/frak" when everyone who understands that would instantly tie it to the f-word anyways? Or maybe writing f[b][/b]uck to cheat the bbcode and have the word display proper? Those aren't more tasteful in any way, just creative ways to cheat the system that people learn over time. Or maybe that newbie ingame that simply writes "fak u" in broken english and passes the ingame "sanity" check as well.

The forced moderation of swear words simply adds an extra layer of work for people who write so that they must ensure their content either has the workarounds or doesn't include mean words. It's even more annoying ingame when you slip in a single swear word in a long sentence and then have to write it all over again but this time with the swear word mitigated in some way (either cheating it with frak and such or adding asterics). Either way if you want to use coarse language you would be able, it would simply be more effort and everyone would completely understand what you meant.

So what is the point of it all? Why do we need laws that aren't followed but should not be removed? What good does the asterisk in sh*t bring that makes the content much better than simply writing the whole word proper?

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[Marburg]

Out of those you posted, although I read them, I picked my responses...& just sayin' you disregarded that I directly responded to #37

Anyway, That's being pedantic & I can't help myself, but I apologize nonetheless for it...kinda.

Here's how it stands right here & now:

Not allowed on Discovery Freelancer 24/7 RP:
3.1 Swearing and insulting outside of Roleplay, or excessive swearing/insulting inRP

Ok, so, as we can see, swearing inRP is within the rules, so long as it's not excessive.

That is progress.

However, for those characters like mine who swear excessively by their nature, do I choose to type EVERYTHING my character thinks?

Nope.

Do I need the freedom to type anything my character thinks?

No, but it would be nice.

I've wasted alot of time over the years voting on rule breaking & doin' sanctions & going through server RP walls, & watchdogging the forums...& the fact that the rules are more lax now than they were is a nice change...but here's the thing:

As it stands, none of us have complete freedom to say what we want. Period. End of.

The compromise I propose is to take the effort to censor a single letter or two out of any words that would otherwise be complained about, noticed, or taken out of context...that way, when the staff checks up on the text, they can much more quickly see an effort was made by the player that the text was in context.

Every argument I've read has far more to do with what's best for the "ME" & much less to do with what's best for the "WE"

Unless someone comes up with a better workaround, the bottom line is, you simply can't get what you want without limit.

I still say that a tiny little compromise will allow much more freedom on this front than we have now.

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