' Wrote:On a related note to the original question, I would appreciate it if Outcasts and Zoners stopped docking on Battleship Beuvray rather than face my GRN. I didn't get an answer from Agmen the last time I poked him about the status of my request about that, would you like me to write it up more formally and back it up with RP? It's already there. The Zoners hate the GRN about as much as they hate the Nomads at this point, as far as I can tell... and the feeling is mutual.
So... can we FR5 entire NPC factions? I've been asking this for months.
Actually, your thing is, or should be, already taken care of. I just forgot to send something down to Seelyville about it.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
' Wrote:On a related note to the original question, I would appreciate it if Outcasts and Zoners stopped docking on Battleship Beuvray rather than face my GRN. I didn't get an answer from Agmen the last time I poked him about the status of my request about that, would you like me to write it up more formally and back it up with RP? It's already there. The Zoners hate the GRN about as much as they hate the Nomads at this point, as far as I can tell... and the feeling is mutual.
So... can we FR5 entire NPC factions? I've been asking this for months.
Shouldn't all the non-Junkers Sirians be repninjaed hostile to the GRN anyway? While the others could be swayed in various ways, I'd think, the navy is supposed to be the most dedicated to the whole killing Sirius thing, aren't they?
' Wrote:You raise a valid point. But, the order isn't going to want to help it's new allies fight against the Corsairs. Maybe a mutual agreement of unfriendlyness could be achieved. But an all out war should be avoided.
Why precisely should all out war be avoided?
Why would the Corsairs, who traditionally are considered more powerful than the Order, tolerate the Order's presence in their back yard, while the Order supply and support their enemies? Why would the Corsairs, with now no reason stopping them, not seize a valuable and (in corsair terms) very secure planet?
The Order want to have their cake, and eat it too. They want to ally with the Corsairs' very worst enemies, yet not incur their wrath or laserfire. They want to live in the back garden of the Corsairs, yet invite the Corsairs' enemies for barbecues. They want to stop doing the school bully's homework, but expect to continue not to be bullied?
The Order have systematicly ruined established RP with the Corsairs, nullified the countless times the Corsairs have fought off the nomads on the Order's behalf, and given their greatest benefactors the middle finger.
The Corsair playerbase continues to struggle to find ANY way to find some kind of advantage this change could offer, to improving gameplay or providing new RP opportunities.
Yes, doors have opened for the Order, but none have opened for the Corsairs.
Whilst it's true that the Corsairs dont want to have yet another enemy, another battlefront, and another set of endless PVP battles to deal with day-in, day-out, we also want the roleplay in the Omicrons, central to Corsair gameplay to remain plausible.
Exactly how much "choice" do the Order think exists?
' Wrote:I'm certain that we'll do more talking about this as the weekend progresses. I also don't see any reason for the Corsairs to not still have the ability to keep making Ossies, since they were the ones building it in the first place - and they certainly wouldn't have to give those ships up that are already built.
But from the points made (not just on here, but in skype) - the Order is allying itself with the enemies of the Corsairs. So I'm not sure how you would expect to simply remain neutral with them after telling them (effectively) to kiss your butts, and you're now friends with their enemies.
And Wizard, realize that right now I maintain open at all times a minimum of 7 different chats, and I have about 500 contacts in my skype directory. My three faction chat groups, three different admin chats, the moderator chats are open at all times. (In case you're wondering, we have a chat group for ALL the admins from ALL the disco servers, so we can share information - plus anything that happens during the day, such as when someone sends me a note asking me to get in game if possible or has a rules question.)
I realize that and i respect that,that's not what i meant.I was talking about decision making inside small group of players and then just informing everybody...just like this Order-Corsaire alliance break of...i have all respect for Admin effort and all that...
Carlos, Corsairs playerbase is not that innocent in all this.
Corsairs have been pirating Zoner supply lines which lead to Order for long time. Then refusing to admit it.
Corsairs were helping Order Rebel players, hosting them, openly protecting them and going as far as killing Order ships to protecting them.
There have been some other incidents aswell which I can't remember at the moment.
Why wouldn't Corsairs declare a war on Order? Maybe cause they would realize they can't help Order fighting the nomads anywhere else except the Omicrons and that Order needs help from outsiders to have place for refueling?
Maybe cause they wouldn't want to destroy the only organization in Sirius that fights Nomads in open fronts from which one is pretty close to Corsair home system?
Order is not making new Allies to defy Corsairs, we are making them cause it's neccessay for us to have refueling and resupplying bases around Sirius. Corsairs can't offer that, nor we expect them to offer it.
You ask what for advantages this change could offer, to improving gameplay or providing new RP opportunities?
It will certainly offer more then current situation where Order is not allowed to talk with anyone who could help us with Nomad threat cause Corsairs would be angry. And tell me what benefits Corsairs have from this Alliance? Artifact smuggling? So Corsairs can smuggle it infront of Order's noses and knowing we will let them go, where number of actual shipments which Order scientists examine on crete is questionable and Order knows it but can't do anything.
Why shouldn't the Corsairs destroy the Order? Reasons can be quoted.
The Corsairs are already fighting on multiple fronts. If you wish to have another war, a pew-pew opportunity, and blood to be spilled, go ahead. Think from your faction's perspective, why fight a war that is not entirely necessary and may cause a lot of damage to you? So you quote the fact that we ally with your enemies. Keep that in mind, the Order will never attack the Corsairs because of provocation from our allies. We are here to eliminate the nomads, not to kill humans.
Think of it the same way we are going with the outcasts now. You and outcasts are like blood-enemies forever. How many times do you see the Order (RPers, lolwuts seeking for something to blow up hardly count) come assist you in blowing up Outcast ships? Maybe sometimes if they are seen collaborating with nomads, but very little else. Our alliance with any factions is solely motivated by a little military assistance with the nomads, and bases to dock on in exchange of information and tactics to fight the nomads/wilde.
We will not start hostilities with you, if you wish to fight a bloody war for insufficient reasons, feel free, but be sure that it will be, technically, a needless war. You might stand to gain Planet Toledo and a little of our tech, but rest assured, the Order will do anything to not let anyone get hands on their precious nomad tech.
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' Wrote:On a related note to the original question, I would appreciate it if Outcasts and Zoners stopped docking on Battleship Beuvray rather than face my GRN. I didn't get an answer from Agmen the last time I poked him about the status of my request about that, would you like me to write it up more formally and back it up with RP? It's already there. The Zoners hate the GRN about as much as they hate the Nomads at this point, as far as I can tell... and the feeling is mutual.
Well, when one of your own GRN's leads a double life, chairs the old Council of Zoners and then defects to the Gallic Royals with all of the Zoner secrets, wouldn't you take issue with the GRN? The GRN made Zoners hate them, not the other way around. I just find it funny that the GRN holds all Sirians guilty of treason for something that happened generations ago yet it's OK for them to commit a similar act.
FYI, if I could dock on Beuvray, I wouldn't. That is so OORP!
' Wrote:Well, when one of your own GRN's leads a double life, chairs the old Council of Zoners and then defects to the Gallic Royals with all of the Zoner secrets, wouldn't you take issue with the GRN? The GRN made Zoners hate them, not the other way around. I just find it funny that the GRN holds all Sirians guilty of treason for something that happened generations ago yet it's OK for them to commit a similar act.
FYI, if I could dock on Beuvray, I wouldn't. That is so OORP!
We're in perfect agreement here. The GRN don't actually care about what the ancestors of the Sirians did anymore, at this point they just want to conquer everybody for the usual megalomaniac reasons. The revenge thing is little more than propaganda for the sheeple. They're hypocrites and they know it... they just don't care.