There's an old thread in this subforum started by Athenian, pinned to the top.
Quote:3) Poor in-game behaviour, characterised by repeated incidents which are harmful to server gameplay, and not merely once-off incidents or the exercise of tactical advantage, such as outnumbering, outgunning or outthinking an opponent.
in nicer words, feedback isn't for whining about being outnumbered or outgunned, or as we call it, being ganked, unless it's in an incredibly harmful way that's driving people off of the server, such as dogpiling them whenever they undock from a base
If you imply that I'm the one whining, please then explain how is the rest of your post(EDIT: which I agree with) relevant to the substance of my feedback.
If you're not, please clarify it, because it's rather ambivalent.
Ice Princess mentioned earlier that the issue was dealt with, which to my ears sounds like an acknowledgment that my feedback was to some degree constructive.
And I'm thankful for that response.
Kudos to 5th fleet for respecting a 2 v 2 yesterday. Apologies for the shield running - I had abysmal ping here and had to get a bit creative. It was a fun fight and you guys comported yourself very well. One of your guys even left combat when the LN jumped in - that's formidably good gameplay form and I'll always sing the praises of any lawful who gives unlawful a fair shake. Good work, chaps.
Thank you, 5th.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)
I must say,after the nice pleasent but sadly short encounter with the players,Piloting the 5th|LNS-Alabama and 5th|LNS-Vincennes a few days ago where the attempt of RP was sadly interrupted by a =LSF= Cruiser in Cortez,today was the rather opposite in Coronado.
Not even trying to communicate but only on the hunt for blue messages by the players of 5th|Nicole.Prower and 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes. I can't prove it if the Bounty Hunter who already engaged and kept me CD'ed in Coronado was accociated to one of those players or not,as well as the suddenly appearing BAF Players.
I hope next time the RP and more pleasant Part is there again.
1) I assume that in the first incident you are referring to the time when you came to New York on a capital ship (cannot remember size, probably BC), and you were pleased that I didn't /l1 /l2 you on sight. I hope you are aware that is a certain degree of roleplay that makes sense without it seeming like an ooRP thing, and I also hope that you are aware (because I certainly am) that not engaging you on sight was a very ooRP move by me back then. A Coalition Battlecruiser inside Liberty Space is not something you speak with or negotiate with, it's something you shoot down.
2) Very similarly to the first incident, your BC was spotted in the vicinity of Curacao at the Cortez system (from what I was told - I wasn't there to see it for myself and I haven't been given any chat logs) and two members of the fleet engaged you. You are a foreign capital ship of an organization that is considered highly hostile to Liberty. The proper way to roleplay such an interaction is to either force you to move out (which in itself is a stretch too and shouldn't be happening) or forcefully destroy you.
There are certain factions that are not meant to have friendly chatters with each other. In the same way you don't expect the Navy to casually hang out with an OC/IN/K'Hara ship, you also don't expect the Navy to hang out with a Coalition ship. You are shoot-on-sight targets and your best bet to get some roleplay is most certainly not on a warship and most certainly not around your enemies.
Alright so as I told you already in Discord,for everyone here to read:
1) Your assumption are wrong.I don't refere to that engagment,as I said,it was completly my faul and I don't blame anyone for that but me.
2) Yes I was spottet as I actively moved towards the PvE Battlefield where the two 5th Ships were. Taking damage from the NPC,I moved to Coronado for repairs and returned afterwards,then we did some RP without any shooting from 5th side,such as I mentioned but the =LSF= Cruiser. The logs for that are:
17.08.2021 09:38:22] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Well, look at that.
[17.08.2021 09:38:44] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: We could say the same about you
[17.08.2021 09:39:30] A $2.400.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:39:56] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Seems quite a brawl for that system
[17.08.2021 09:40:02] A bounty pool worth $2.400.000 credits for 1 kill has been deposited in your account.
[17.08.2021 09:40:52] A $540.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:41:10] A $3.400.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:41:17] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Yes, you could say that.
[17.08.2021 09:41:55] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: So you try to annex this system ?
[17.08.2021 09:42:09] Tip: Armor Upgrades are permanent items which, when mounted, multiply your ship's base hitpoints. It is an essential item on any ship.
[17.08.2021 09:42:15] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: More like keep it free.
[17.08.2021 09:42:55] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Free from whom ? THere are many parties in here.Even the Bretonians
[17.08.2021 09:43:01] A $540.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:43:11] A $540.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:43:24] A $540.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[17.08.2021 09:45:15] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Greetings,Captain
[17.08.2021 09:45:29] Sulla: hello skipper
[17.08.2021 09:47:41] 2021-08-17 09:47:39 SMT Traffic control alert: SCEC|CPW-Lusankya has requested to dock
[17.08.2021 09:47:41] A bounty pool worth $5.560.000 credits for 5 kills has been deposited in your account.
[17.08.2021 09:47:41] Auto-Buy(Missiles): Bought 1 unit(s), cost: 2.000$
[17.08.2021 09:47:41] Auto-Buy(Repair): Cost 577.979$
[17.08.2021 09:51:19] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: I'm sure we could arrange for his transport.
[17.08.2021 09:51:34] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Oh, the communist is back.
[17.08.2021 09:51:58] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: That coalition ship over there.
[17.08.2021 09:52:12] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Communist ? - Interesting.That's new someone calls us that. *laughes*
[17.08.2021 09:52:19] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: We may yet do so. Depends on what they do.
[17.08.2021 09:52:47] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Only ships with that marker tend to be commies, pal.
[17.08.2021 09:53:02] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: My apologies; I was going off the weird accent.
[17.08.2021 09:53:11] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Oh and the MND is here too.Well that's kind of interesting
[17.08.2021 09:53:34] Agt.Mayer: Hessian sympatisant
[17.08.2021 09:53:45] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: So, what brings you to Cortez?
[17.08.2021 09:53:55] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: I'm a perfectly reasonable fellow.
[17.08.2021 09:54:18] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Are we reasoning with commies, sir?
[17.08.2021 09:54:43] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: More along the lines of offering a way out without bloodshed.
[17.08.2021 09:55:04] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: As nice as it is to watch their ships blow up.
[17.08.2021 09:55:06] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Science,dear Captain.And one or two deals
[17.08.2021 09:55:17] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Admiral, actually.
[17.08.2021 09:55:32] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Iam sorry,Admiral then.It's hard to tell
[17.08.2021 09:55:34] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Now, I'm going to make a suggestion to you, and I hope you consider it carefully.
[17.08.2021 09:56:14] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Depart from this system, immediately.
[17.08.2021 09:56:45] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Oh...and why that ? We hardly interfere with your battle over there or move further within Liberty
[17.08.2021 09:57:23] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: I serve the interests of the local civilian population. Your presence makes them uneasy.
[17.08.2021 09:57:23] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: And curious that you don't say the same to an enemy Intellegance Officer but to us.
[17.08.2021 09:57:41] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Last chance. Depart now.
[17.08.2021 09:57:44] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: CIC: Wainwright to Liberty forces - report status.
[17.08.2021 09:57:53] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: 'sup, spookie.
[17.08.2021 09:58:00] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: The intelligence agent with a botched navigation system will be dealt with next.
[17.08.2021 09:58:04] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: I would leave.But it seems your LSF Cruiser over there doesn't want to
[17.08.2021 09:58:20] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: The LSF never was known to be particularly smart.
[17.08.2021 09:58:21] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: We do not negotiate with terrorists.
[17.08.2021 09:58:22] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: So either you tell him to let us leave or we are forced to stay
[17.08.2021 09:58:31] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: Now prepare to be disabled.
[17.08.2021 09:58:33] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Not really a negotiation, spookie.
[17.08.2021 09:58:51] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: CIC: Fire away!
[17.08.2021 09:58:52] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Ah shit, here we go again. Rivera, get the popcorn.
[17.08.2021 09:59:00] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Understood, sir.
[17.08.2021 09:59:48] 5th|LNS-Alabama: // you good to shoot at him, we won't interfere m8
[17.08.2021 09:59:56] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: It doesn't seem to put up a fight. Shame. Continue firing.
[17.08.2021 10:00:02] A bounty pool worth $276.000 credits for 4 kills has been deposited in your account.
[17.08.2021 10:00:10] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: This is why we can't have nice things.
[17.08.2021 10:00:13] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: //nah.I let him get his blue.Idc if he kills me or not.I came here for RP not shooting.If he is that triggerhappy,let him
[17.08.2021 10:00:14] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Perhaps we should send a boarding party over..
[17.08.2021 10:00:19] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: Just a thought..
[17.08.2021 10:00:29] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: //so I will just sit there and let him destroy me
[17.08.2021 10:00:33] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: You are more than welcome to try. The Alamaba is equipped for such.
[17.08.2021 10:00:37] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Hot damn, I'll need you to slow down with those smart ideas.
[17.08.2021 10:01:13] 5th|LNS-Alabama: // yea, sorry. would have liked to actually RP a bit, but Darius really do like crashing parties
[17.08.2021 10:01:17] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: Alabama-actual, are you going to attempt a boarding?
[17.08.2021 10:01:40] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: //np.Maybe we can do it without him beeing around.
[17.08.2021 10:01:44] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Why, so you can continue firing while our men are on board?
[17.08.2021 10:01:48] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Good lord.
[17.08.2021 10:02:06] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: We'll cease fire if you do so.
[17.08.2021 10:02:11] 5th|LNS-Vincennes: Rivera: You knock out its communications antenna? I'm not even getting static from it anymore.
[17.08.2021 10:02:23] Unsure about the regions listed in your ID? You can use the following command to access the full systems classification list - /helpmenu regions
[17.08.2021 10:02:35] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: Most likely. Or it is one of their tricks.
[17.08.2021 10:03:11] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: Last time I will ask. Will a boarding be attempted?
[17.08.2021 10:03:33] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: We've no reason to attempt boarding at this point. There's hardly any ship left to board.
[17.08.2021 10:03:46] =LSF=Fort.Wainwright: N: Gunners, resume fire at once.
[17.08.2021 10:03:51] 5th|LNS-Alabama: Briggs: Learn to fucking shoot non-critical systems.
[17.08.2021 10:04:51] Death: SCEC|CPW-Lusankya was put out of action by =LSF=Fort.Wainwright (Gun).
and now to that incident.As I told you,too.The hunter intercepted me directly at the Jumphole when I was already lined up for docking and jumping.Then he kept CD'ing me within CORONADO ,where the fight also took place.
[26.08.2021 17:40:54] Sisu~Akko: How curious.
[26.08.2021 17:41:40] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Greetings,Pilot.What can we do for you ?
[26.08.2021 17:41:49] Sisu~Akko: Hei.
[26.08.2021 17:41:55] Sisu~Akko: You, well... stop.
[26.08.2021 17:42:27] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: And why should we ? We can talk while flying
[26.08.2021 17:42:35] Sisu~Akko: I need you in one place.
[26.08.2021 17:42:58] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Interesting...and what for ?
[26.08.2021 17:43:19] Sisu~Akko: You will soon find out.
26.08.2021 17:45:18] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: My what?
[26.08.2021 17:45:32] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Greetings,Navy Pilot
[26.08.2021 17:45:33] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Ensign Wilkes reporting in what is the meaning of this.
[26.08.2021 17:45:40] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: A coalition pilot?
[26.08.2021 17:45:47] Sisu~Akko: A Coalition battlecruiser.
[26.08.2021 17:45:50] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: And a daredevil hunter.
[26.08.2021 17:45:57] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Glad to see you here stopped it all yourself?
[26.08.2021 17:46:01] Sisu~Akko: I can do only so little here.
[26.08.2021 17:46:12] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Yes... still a bit off the whole situation.
[26.08.2021 17:46:13] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: This little Bounty Hunter seems to get bored and started shooting.
[26.08.2021 17:46:42] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Well, your presence in this area of sirius is surely considered a nuisance.
[26.08.2021 17:46:51] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: Why so surprised ? We even met your Admiral's Flagship in Cortez already.
[26.08.2021 17:47:29] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Sorry, but received my orders about coalition warships
[26.08.2021 17:47:32] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Loading weaponry.
[26.08.2021 17:47:42] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: We must disable this warship.
[26.08.2021 17:47:45] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Engaging target.
[26.08.2021 17:47:52] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Nothing personal.
[26.08.2021 17:47:57] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Have my obligations.
[26.08.2021 17:48:15] 5th|Charlotte,Wilkes: Charging marked targets, weapons released!
[26.08.2021 17:50:09] 5th|Nicole.Prower.: There you are. Moving to engage.
[26.08.2021 17:50:20] 5th|Nicole.Prower.: Prep the bomb bays, firing at will.
[26.08.2021 17:50:20] SCEC|CPW-Lusankya: Coms: What are you trying to accomplish ? Your bomber against our Armor ? Let's see if we don't reach the station first
[26.08.2021 17:50:45] 5th|Nicole.Prower.: Firing.
I even dropped the line about the encounter of the two above mentioned 5th Captial ships in the hope to make an RP Attempt by giving them something interesting.
This Post is just to clarify that you took it wrong Tenshi and put the things in the wrong relation.As I told you in Discord already: Coronado is two jumps away from any Liberty House System and is not claimed by Liberty so I took it save for RP without opposing a threat to Liberty at all. Maybe next time it will be a better encounter.
Reminder that the LSF, contrary to what most believe, answers only to the President. Some are still unable to grasp this and it leads to unfortunate events such as this last one in New York where we've been forced to shoot down a transport for refusing to provide information. Yelling "contact gov" or "contact hc" will not help change the situation either, as unfortunate as it may be.
Please discuss this to the members to avoid other potential issues. We do not want to hunt down ships "just because", but we're doing the security checks as part of our roleplay as an intelligence faction.