Oh this happened today, not so long ago infact.
Here's a little compilation of afterwards: (Read left->right->left->right)
Not a trial by forum btw. Simply pointing out what many have already said. Although the faction leaders etc may be brilliant, the faction members aren't always the same. It was a smuggler ID'd prison liner yes but it all has a story behind it. I wondered why I was given no time to explain myself and ended up finding out pretty easily.
Well if you were carrying contraband, he's right and you're wrong. If you weren't carrying anything and he annoyed you based on your smuggler ID, then he's acting wrong and should be instructed not to act in such a manner in the future.
Quote:"The Missouri? She's full of surprises. Normally the Liberty Navy draw the lines at Zone-21. They must really want to get their hands on Ashcroft."
Sound familiar? King and Juni where certainly aware of Zone-21's existence.
' Wrote:Well if you were carrying contraband, he's right and you're wrong. If you weren't carrying anything and he annoyed you based on your smuggler ID, then he's acting wrong and should be instructed not to act in such a manner in the future.
@john,Talon ... you don't know where he was when his ship was destroyed. Thats the essence of this discussion. I tell you where was his location. He was into Zone 21 deep at 8-k or 6 -k far from Alaska jump gate. He was trying somehow to dock alaska. There were some other LN near him + some LSF. He wanted to tell us all a story to enter Alaska.
' Wrote:It was a smuggler ID'd prison liner yes but it all has a story behind it. I wondered why I was given no time to explain myself
Because you chose to do it in game in Z21.
I think it great that you have a smuggler ID'd prison liner with a story behind it. However, as your screenshots show you were having a one on one pm conversation with a single =LSF= member. It was a discussion concerning rp conventions concerning ID. Citing examples.
And here is the biggest point, "So you give no time to fellow players."
Here is an example of a few hours in Liberty for me:
Log in.
Group invite.
Xenos at Manhattan. Get here Serp.
Xenos are routed after 30 minutes.
Smuggler coming in from Minor.
I head to Z21.
On the way to Z21 I get a few PM's from people I do not know.
Can I join your faction?
What is a good transport for under 50mil?
Corsair GB at planet Houston.
Pirates at the colorado gate.
Monitoring the chat window we see 2 level 82+ players we are not familiar with in Liberty.
Finnally we RV at Z21. Smuggler comes through. 5-30 minutes later were done with the smuggler 50% of the time they get away 50% of the time we get them. We rv once again at z21.
More PM's come through. A few were completely ignored while in battle.
Then a Prison Liner begins to approach the Alaska JG.
More pm's. Outcast Cruiser sighted in Colorado.
Slave smuggler heading to NY.
2 unkown contacts in Alaska.
The Prison liner then wants to have a huge discussion on rp conventions, rules, ID, his rp story, and then gets mad that we all can't make the time to have the talk right at that moment.
If you have a good rp story let us know here on the forums. PM us here. Start a thread and state you would like LSF/LN feedback. Make it all 100% within RP. Start an oorp thread for discussion and a rp only thread for the rp. Get your discussions, story, and everything sorted out before hand.
Then when we meet ingame everyone is on the same page.
Everyone who wants to use Alaska and is not a criminal has a story. Many pull it out of their anus. Many of those folks are also actual player spies who want to stall us for 10-20 minutes so their criminal friends can jump manhattan or fly through NY unmolested.
I don't think it to much to ask for lawful players who are not LN or LSF to have to put a bit of work outside the game into gaining access to Alaska. Which has been one of the most hotly contested most classified and restricted areas in Sirus for a few months now.
The LN and LSF just do not have the time to sit around and have lengthy discussions with folks while in game. That is one of the main reasons these forums exist.
This single post would wind up being a 3 hour discussion in game. And without the ability in game to go back and reread things or make corrections before posting. Or choose a different way or tone to say something. It's a good bet that those 3 hours would be just a waste of time. And completely lost to everyone else on the server as the discussion would have to be either in group or pm since it is ooc. I probably only get to play 3-4 hours a day on a good day. I really would rather not spend it having discussions like that. Let's do it on the forums instead.
Unlawfuls you mentioned really aren't a factor and rarely do cooperate attacks on Liberty.
For example, Phantoms attack alone and they are always outnumbered.
Keepers shouldn't attack Liberty at all. Alaska is their final destination, they should not be able to reach NY ever.
RoS.. Come on, we all know they do NOT operate in Liberty, they show up once a moth to escort their smugglers.
BLS.. They are a drug cartel, with smuggling priorities, as well as stopping others from smuggling, not fighting Liberty lawfuls.
Actually, I'v never seen a BLS member fighting a Liberty lawful.
And so on and so on.
By that logic you can add Blood Dragons, Corsairs and Red Hessians because all of them attacked Liberty at some point, who knows why.
Maybe even some Unioners and Mollies.
Only real unlawfuls that should be in your list are :
Liberty Rogues
Lane Hackers
Xenos
And that's it.
On the other hand, you should add like a zillion of Mercenaries and Bounty Hunters on the lawful side.
But not like it's important.
I still think, from my experience of fighting in Liberty, that lawfuls are much more represented then unlawfuls.
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If that guy was in zone 21, without a Navy ID or LSF ID, then he is shot, story or no story, he is not going to be there. So the LSF did good. If you have a Navy or LSF ID we usually due to current orders, ask you why you are there, and if you can explain it well in RP, you're allowed in. If you do not have any of those 2 ID's then you are shot on sight for entering zone 21. Pretty simple.
Unlawfuls you mentioned really aren't a factor and rarely do cooperate attacks on Liberty.
For example, Phantoms attack alone and they are always outnumbered.
Keepers shouldn't attack Liberty at all. Alaska is their final destination, they should not be able to reach NY ever.
RoS.. Come on, we all know they do NOT operate in Liberty, they show up once a moth to escort their smugglers.
BLS.. They are a drug cartel, with smuggling priorities, as well as stopping others from smuggling, not fighting Liberty lawfuls.
Actually, I'v never seen a BLS member fighting a Liberty lawful.
And so on and so on.
By that logic you can add Blood Dragons, Corsairs and Red Hessians because all of them attacked Liberty at some point, who knows why.
Maybe even some Unioners and Mollies.
Only real unlawfuls that should be in your list are :
Liberty Rogues
Lane Hackers
Xenos
And that's it.
On the other hand, you should add like a zillion of Mercenaries and Bounty Hunters on the lawful side.
But not like it's important.
I still think, from my experience of fighting in Liberty, that lawfuls are much more represented then unlawfuls.
Firstly, that Keepers comment is a pretty silly thing to say. All of Sirius is theirs. We came here. They are an advanced race. Do you really think we can hold them back? I think not. The entire Freelancer story is about the struggle between the Nomads and the humans. Recently the nomads had a devastating loss, but they are not out of the game yet. The in struggles between the houses and pirates and traders and such are just an interesting byplay. I think people lose sight of this when roleplaying and getting into their characters so much.
Secondly, I think that list is great. I can counter all of your points. I've seen RoS operate in NY. Once a month IS operating in NY. Even if it less frequent, they are still a threat to the Lawfuls. If a serial killer turns up once in a blue moon in a city that is sufficient enough reason to have a file on him.
BLS is a drug cartel. Did you just read what YOU wrote? Of course the BLS are going to be on the lawfuls list.
Liberty Rogues have ties to Mollies, so I would expect them on that list as well.
Zillions of Mercs and BHs? So what? most of them are loners and are unorganised. And usually wont take on jobs if they dont feel like it / aren't getting paid.
Lawful representation? Again so what? Apart from a few exceptions most LR have been able to wipe the floor with many lawfuls. If anything they need better teams and training.
What was my points? To refute what I believe was an un-thought through opinion.
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Unlawfuls you mentioned really aren't a factor and rarely do cooperate attacks on Liberty.
For example, Phantoms attack alone and they are always outnumbered.
Keepers shouldn't attack Liberty at all. Alaska is their final destination, they should not be able to reach NY ever.
RoS.. Come on, we all know they do NOT operate in Liberty, they show up once a moth to escort their smugglers.
BLS.. They are a drug cartel, with smuggling priorities, as well as stopping others from smuggling, not fighting Liberty lawfuls.
Actually, I'v never seen a BLS member fighting a Liberty lawful.
Here is a quote from Lohingren concerning an Outcast/[RoS]/BLS/Keeper/Nomad invasion of NY which took place at West point 6 days ago.
' Wrote:exagurating on the numbers also
was me, silent, joe, che, flagg, Diavolo,2 BLS
1 keeper and 2 nomads that came in for 10 mins killed 2 LSF and left, tell whole story please toodle oo.
There were [RoS], BLS, an indie Outcast or 2 I think, a Keeper, and 2 pirates in Nomad Light Fighters.
By Lohingren's count there were 11 unlawfuls. Containing 4 of the best ace pilots in Sirus with some of the best fighters and ships money can buy.
Not only were all 3 groups you said never go to NY there....they were all working together. And this was less than a week ago.