' Wrote:It taught me just how poor the moderation of this site is.
Nice move, you're getting more respect by the second.
If nothing else, this is a balance thing with reasonable RP justification. A person with an ID that has equipment of similar name should use that equipment even if it sucks. Nearby stuff is okay (like BHG using Flashpoints and the like) so long as you are prepared to explain how you got it (nothing much) but enemy stuff is a no-no unless you get admin approval- seriously, Sabre with Krakens and Tizzies is PvP abuse that occasionally has a bit of RP to cover it. If you want to have a weird weapons loadout for the sake of RP, ask nicely and live with the results. If its fair game all the time, we will see piles of PvP abusive loadouts, ask anyone who was around when it was tolerated.
Now that we've cleaned that up, I move for a thread lock. Rule isn't going to change for balance reasons, we've established this. Nothing more to say, really.
' Wrote:Sixes and sevens; guilds have a great deal of power over their members. Follow their rules or get blackballed. In terms of the bounty hunter guild, follow their rules or find a perfectly legal bounty on your head.
The guild is the members, no guild can exist if it ostracizes it's members.
Look at a modern guild, the SAG for instance, it sets minimum working conditions including salary minimums, disallows it's members from working for companies who don't go through the guild, and it's leadership is voted in and the president is more a figurehead than a power, and has no authority over individuals other that kicking them out if they work non union jobs within the US.
This is typical of guilds, they are not governments or military that have have a great deal of control, they simply exist to protect the livelihood of those that join.
' Wrote:Nice move, you're getting more respect by the second.
Why would I care about respect from people who show they deserve none?
' Wrote:Why would I care about respect from people who show they deserve none?
Possibly because people are more likely to pay attention to you and/or be willing to compromise with your point of view if they respect you.
And I think more people than just the ones you don't care for read things like this... you know, they have their opinions too.
Anyway, if you want to start things, make your own thread to get yourself forum-lynched or take it to PMs. This thread had a valid question that was validly answered, concerns were brought forward and sufficiently answered. No thread in rules should break down into the flame fests they always do when certain individuals start posting.
Now, if we could get a nice lock before this one glows red that would be nice.
' Wrote:Respect is a two way street, if none is given then none is deserved.
Moderation given without respect deserves no respect in return.
Read that four or five times and think about how others think of your usual posting style.
Now, you've turned a reasonable thread into an attempt to martyr yourself, killing any decent, gentlemanly discussion in the process. Does that make you feel proud? Do you want a medal for that?
' Wrote:The guild is the members, no guild can exist if it ostracizes it's members.
Look at a modern guild, the SAG for instance, it sets minimum working conditions including salary minimums, disallows it's members from working for companies who don't go through the guild, and it's leadership is voted in and the president is more a figurehead than a power, and has no authority over individuals other that kicking them out if they work non union jobs within the US.
This is typical of guilds, they are not governments or military that have have a great deal of control, they simply exist to protect the livelihood of those that join.
Why would I care about respect from people who show they deserve none?
*rouses himself from vacation mode for the good times*
While I would be hesitant to compare the screen actors guild to an interstellar bounty hunter agency manning ships of war, I can see where you're going with it. Naturally any organization would be anything but without a member base, to bring the point to the table is a might redundant at the best, though to submit it as an argument that denounces the notion of a governing body is worth a chuckle at the least.
The Bounty Hunters Guild within Free Lancer has a well established central leadership which defines the operational standards of its membership in addition to orchestrating the actions of the Guild Core. As an agency that relies upon the good graces of the lawful houses to supply the bulk of its liquid assets certain adherences to regulation must be enforced. I understand that this last statement was redundant in itself, but allow me to set the stage.
Let us focus on the use of weapons, to fit in with the context of this discussion. As the BHG relies upon the co-operation of the four houses (Kusari being a local to which they are doubtless working double hard to impress upon to open up that frontier for greater business opportunities) the utilization of any specific house weapons would suggest a proclivity towards one over the other. This isn't the M-16 versus AK-47 argument so much as one of tank cannons manufactured solely in, say, nation "X". If nations W Y Z note that the BHG is prone to using the good times equipment of nation X, or any other combination of the same, it leads to speculation concerning possibly biased behavior.
Imagine if Rheinland suspected for even a moment that the Guild had stronger ties to Liberty due to weapons contracts, that would be an entire swath of space suddenly removed from the payroll.
Likewise for the weapons utilized by the baddens. Bounty Hunters manning rogue lasers might look good on the stat sheet, but the broader implications would have grave consequences for the group as a whole.
Ergo, it stands to logic that the best means through which to maintain universal employability would be to safeguard the air of universal impartiality to anything save the almighty paycheck. Ergo locally manufactured ships and weaponry.
Bounty Hunters who fall outside of the doctrines of the guild are mercenaries. They kit themselves with whatever seems best to fulfill the task at hand. Their allegiances are shaped only by contract history and the alignments of the factions who's kit they seek to adopt. Though by that same token they fall outside of the privileges and resources that the Bounty Hunters Guild provides.
The rank and file of the guild operate as they see fit, so long as they adhere to the general guidelines provided to ensure the future survival of the guild. The Core maintain a much more militant approach to enable campaigns and theater operations. This policy is easily observable in both game lore and the day to day operations of that faction.
*returns to slumber mode*
Edit: Ignore the part about hating on the locals sov. That's just the 'ol attention grabby bit. Focus on the argument and review its merits and flaws. This'll be a better joint when folks leave that manner of intentionally provocative nastiness out.
Annnnd here we go agian, yet another forum arguement involving Akumabito.
Unorthodox weapon loadouts and that kind of thing, are worth OK-ing with the community -before- you go out and do it with your justification.
If you just go "you can't sanction me because BLAAHH" then people get shirty, and understandably. When had they heard about that before? How were they to know?
I somehow don't think Akuma's BD Bretonian battleship was particularly cool with the community or indeed had been disscussed in any way in public.
If you want a weird loadout, or something that goes a bit against the grain, I would check it out with the community. Check out what zapp did about the Rusty Donut. That ship is totaly in RP (its allowed by the LPI ID) and uses only lib guns. Yet he still went and checked it out with the community who said it was OK.
' Wrote:Imagine if Rheinland suspected for even a moment that the Guild had stronger ties to Liberty due to weapons contracts, that would be an entire swath of space suddenly removed from the payroll.
That is a fairly specious and unlikely scenario. Any individual BH could mount the most effective weapons for them and it wouldn't mean to anyone that the guild has stronger ties to any one group or the other, any more than if a private security group working in the US uses H&K's it mean they are spies for the germans.
I guess your thinking the Iraqi police are Austrian spies because they carry Glocks?
The fact is that it's perfectly within RP for a person to use the weapon he thinks best when he has the option without anyone thinking that indicates their loyalty. In a guild, where leadership doesn't have a concern beyond contract negotiation and protecting the pay of it's members, there is really no real justification to enforce arbitrary weapon restrictions that hurt the effectiveness of it individuals.
' Wrote:Unorthodox weapon loadouts and that kind of thing, are worth OK-ing with the community -before- you go out and do it with your justification.
What community would that be? The one made of factions that like to keep the indies down?
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