Playerbase Siege Adjustments

[Reeves]

LN/46th lack of action and their inRP excuses on the other hand deserve a RP slap.

This is quite possibly the worst take I've seen all year.

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[Saronsen]

inRP, Lemons RP was exactly what one would expect from a House - securing its borders (Systems in this case)

couldve sent literally anything cruiser or smaller instead, but its a spat between pirates and freelancers and none are of libertys interest. the base doesnt even offer anything monetary to liberty. theyre not allies, or even licensed in liberty. guard the kansas jumphole if you want to secure your border

Most RL example of this is Russia - Ukraine.

this isnt and continues to not be comparable to russia and ukraine, lmao

They should be Liberating the neighboring sectors on a weekly basis. LN/46th lack of action and their inRP excuses on the other hand deserve a RP slap.

throwing away resources to defend literal nobodies who do no business and intended to do no business with liberty is stupid and thinking other factions who agree with a realistic outlook on how a government/military would (not) deal with stuff well beyond their territorial waters (space/borders) should be punished speaks volumes about you. im assuming youre in 1st?

Liberty is a House and they are lawful factions enforcing its laws and protecting it - this does not exclude borders!

sorry isnt quantum base a Freelancer base? lmao.
taking capital ships out to the uncontrolled systems that dont even have gates or lanes is immensely reckless.

As to other players being involved in the attacking force, as a veteran, official faction leader and Staff member, it kinda falls into your back yard to make sure Rule 1 is respected and applied throughout the community interaction. Since only in the 1st day the defenders outnumbered the attacking force, it shows what a ***** show it was, especially with last nights 15 vs 3 PoB camp (I have evidence don't worry about this), I'm sure, you as the 3 titles above - Veteran, Official faction Leader and Staff member - DID YOUR VERY BEST TO MAKE THINGS FUN FOR EVERYONE INVOVED! No. You pursued your agenda with one of your group asking the Camera ship to leave the siege area - I wonder why!? Why would someone ask a Camera Ship to leave the area?

karlotta levels of delusion
tell us more about this conspiracy

OH cause some staff members didn't get to have their way... damn it, Karlotta is right.

thought so

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[AuruemSaber]

LN/46th lack of action and their inRP excuses on the other hand deserve a RP slap.

This is quite possibly the worst take I've seen all year.

inRP, Lemons RP was exactly what one would expect from a House - securing its borders (Systems in this case) - Most RL example of this is Russia - Ukraine. You cannot even contemplate to debate 1st Intervention in a bordering sector! They should be Liberating the neighboring sectors on a weekly basis. LN/46th lack of action and their inRP excuses on the other hand deserve a RP slap. Liberty is a House and they are lawful factions enforcing its laws and protecting it - this does not exclude borders!

Welp that aged well.

also you mean Russia the country that's been almost universally condemned for it's actions in Ukraine?

[Erremnart]

@R.P.Curator Siege is happening in the independent world Kansas, and base is completely unrelated to Liberty. These circumstances give players and their factions agency, and it's up to them whether they want to come and shoot enemies - or choose to protect their House space only and ignore it altogether.

So please, respect decisions of other navy factions and stop insulting them for their inaction ooRPly - do it in-character, if it's appropriate.

[Nika]

minimal expense

I loathe being anywhere on the spectrum of agreeing with @Saronsen - but you could have at least been a little tasteful and exercised restraint, namely in using a cruiser or gunboat. Surely it would have also been simpler to just use a ship belonging to a faction that's more relevant to the region as well. You're a highly critical person in this regard when these tables are turned, so perhaps it would be best to not do things you yourself would voice as objectionable in principle, even if technically possible.

I'll not deny though, I may have acted more from a gameplay convenience standpoint in this particular case. I will be sure to exercise said restraint. In the future.

[Kauket]

Server Administrators are obliged:
To develop and safeguard the health of the Discovery Freelancer community, official server, and forums.

To be fair and treat all players equally independent of their level and faction alignment.

This applies to Staff as well, not just server administrators. But it need to be specified in the rule, eh?

As to other players being involved in the attacking force, as a veteran, official faction leader and Staff member, it kinda falls into your back yard to make sure Rule 1 is respected and applied throughout the community interaction. Since only in the 1st day the defenders outnumbered the attacking force, it shows what a ***** show it was, especially with last nights 15 vs 3 PoB camp (I have evidence don't worry about this), I'm sure, you as the 3 titles above - Veteran, Official faction Leader and Staff member - DID YOUR VERY BEST TO MAKE THINGS FUN FOR EVERYONE INVOVED! No. You pursued your agenda with one of your group asking the Camera ship to leave the siege area - I wonder why!? Why would someone ask a Camera Ship to leave the area?

I don't know why you're going off the rails here, but Developers - cannot moderate, nor deal with VR reports. I told him I did not want it there because it didn't make sense, but I could not stop him from bringing it. It did not violate the rules. Nor am I an admin. What I do is animate visual effects and draw images, and sometimes help out people who are stuck ingame on my ship.

What do you want me to do? Get the hand of god to swoop down onto their keyboard and slap them? I don't lead SCRA. If they want to downgrade their faction image, so be it, their choice. And I'm sure that people will not appreciate arbitrary punishments when they're not violating their ID. If you feel like an ID is wrong, file a report on it.

Either way. I'm not sure why you're getting exceedingly angry for someone elses failure to be more self aware. Yeah, you're gonna get roleplay consequences for what roleplay actions you take - in this instance, completely declining to blacklist a few groups and then act abrasive on a high ground. Sieges are competitive in nature. One side wants it dead. The other wants it alive. There is no middle ground there but combat, as negiotations fail inRP.

Player Bases are a part of the RP universe. Like player ships, they can be created, they can be destroyed. I'm hoping with the newer system of them being easier to build that it's less hurting. Though I'd really like if the material processing time was a bit faster.

Oh, and since some people are adamant on making boogymen stories to try to paint me as whatever-phobe of the day - I will repeat myself for the 4th time:

I knew how much of a pain it is to build the weapon crafting module. I know the person who spent a lot of time trading to the base. So I wanted an alternative to not destroying their modules as a demand or surrendering all of the materials (the grind is real). As they had publicly advertised they were using alien materials. As the faction that's supposed to keep an eye on this - they were in an area that was watched already, and I've already had complaints in private about the faction not following up on what its supposed to do. So I wanted a narrative out, to 'sort this out' -- Making them work with us would be the easiest, and lets it be as open ended as possible so they can do whatever under the table. I spoke with others to gauge if it felt fair, people seemed to think it was alright.

So an answer where they get our factions help via materials and protection, maybe the negative point was forcing him to collab on both of us getting Earhart materials in turn of them blacklisting factions and giving a shop view password. (I've repeatively said again and again, yes you can work with the Order for example - but don't make them deliver to your base. Use a middle man like Rheinland shipping or something. Or quietly do under the table deals) - I don't see that as unreasonable. Infact, you're making a gain here. Free protection. Free working together sessions to mine together. No materials surrendered, no credit loss.

But I was more or less mocked. I had my member harrassed /before/ any proper demands were made. I had lies made up about me, and the solution I offered was frequently declined and insulted with the insinuations made, and the RP we had ingame was completely disregarded. Honestly, I'm not even happy that I had to break RP to explain that one would be able to do stuff with hostile groups.

Yeah, sometimes, you're not in full control, that's what RP is - you have to show you can overcome someone who has a problem with your M.O. -- Which in the end would even act as a bolster for one's Core upgrade as RP. Nobody said you couldn't agree with the terms and then silently remove the restrictions later when you're not being watched lol.

I'm not particularly amused either of the 4 different fairytales that have now spurred from this victim complex of taking the game way too personally - as if its some kind of personal sandbox. Anyhow, now you get my side of the cent. Don't think that I'm enjoying this, because it honestly isn't. Maybe aside from the conspiracy theories, that's pretty funny.

Oh well. Another day in the office.

[Czechmate]

That Auxo have still piracy lines in Kansas and Vespucci is an oversight after the system changes in the first place, PR sent. You don't have to pretend you have to siege anything.

Also, the Liberty Navy OFs who are purposefully not logging in to shoot their main enemies, and who's HC members are saying in unrelated discords how players of their IDs need to be ganked hard and proceed to play the other side are at the end of the day only hurting their own official factions. That one blatant outlier is with staff now.


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@Haste This isn't enough IMO. Still, 2 weeks is way too long, and ratios are off it was like before I did the math. Unless you give gigantic buffs to weapons platforms it's way too lopsided. What you also have to realize is that EMP only is not enough - the attackers can still move right under the base and hunt down the defenders.

[Kauket]

That Auxo have still piracy lines in Kansas and Vespucci is an oversight after the system changes, PR sent.

Related to the alien gate for the former.

[Czechmate]

That Auxo have still piracy lines in Kansas and Vespucci is an oversight after the system changes, PR sent.

Related to the alien gate for the former.

That should go to vagrants/nomads not auxo - "related" is not enough to get a strong as line as that - the area of operation of Auxo is far too removed now, it was given because both were right next to Inverness. Easy fix by staff, PR is with them. You can request to get piracy line in systems with Auxo bases instead, Kansas and Vespucci make no sense now.

[AuruemSaber]

That Auxo have still piracy lines in Kansas and Vespucci is an oversight after the system changes, PR sent.

Related to the alien gate for the former.

That should go to vagrants/nomads not auxo - "related" is not enough to get a strong as line as that - the area of operation of Auxo is far too removed now, it was given because both were right next to Inverness. Easy fix by staff, PR is with them. You can request to get piracy line in systems with Auxo bases instead, Kansas and Vespucci make no sense now.

why are you acting like you have any say in any of this stuff? seriously when did you get elected as ruler of discovery? did I sleep through the memo or what?

edit: furthermore if aux shouldn't be there why the hell should liberty be there in the first place?