Reworked Corsair Laws feedback

[SnakThree]

I assume DTR wants people to join DTR to mine relics? That seems the ultimate goal? Pyramid scheme? Dunno.

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[Ravenna Nagash]

That has never been the case. The rules are guidelines, and with RP justification anything has always been possible.

By that logic, I could literally RP anything or come up with some RP pretext and start bypassing rules/Corsair ID. That's literal nonsense and would result in a sanction.

No, I disagree with trying to monopolise a commodity and then blaming other people for not being able to do so

2.3 - Metagaming / Powergaming is not allowed. Bypassing a faction by using an alt from said faction to avoid consequences is literally metagaming. Again, DTR has been mining XRs for 2 years and delivering them to factions, groups, mining them for people. Not sure what the big shocker is here, it's literally the main way for Corsairs to make money, inRP and ooRP.

Metagaming is a symptom of the cause, it is not the root issue.

I ask again, where have you done any RP or negotiations with DTR about XR ooRP or otherwise?

My point is that DTR have not given any such interactions in good faith ingame in my experience

You are the definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This means that specific factions like DTR have no right creating laws which benefit their specific faction. In anything, laws should apply to all Corsairs equally.

That's peak comedy considering historically you and a few of other people have done everything in your power to attempt to sabotage DTR and failed. I remember that case where you turned away a Zoner that was paid to deliver supplies inRP by us, because it was supplying a DTR base while flying TBH. Literally a Corsair forcing a Zoner away from delivering supplies to other Corsairs.

The purpose of this thread has been to update Corsair laws, which either way are literally guidelines, just RP fluff and the OP has asked for some public feedback. Not sure how anyone can seriously interpret that as ''malicious'' haha. Either way, the ID supersedes any ''laws'' so any paranoia about powergaming is completely misguided.

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It's not like DTR changed the commodity and the location or any patch changes. DTR had to adapt just like anybody else, contrary to allegations of staff favoritism, haha. Personally I would love Xi back and the old way XR worked, it was a lot more fun.

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[Ravenna Nagash]

Question, why making indie corsairs to mine relics is considered metagaming, while making indie mollys to mine gold ore isn't? Or indie anything to mine anything?

Not all cases are metagaming obviously. However some cases are, the implication is that if you make a Corsair indie alt, you can avoid consequences completely. Other Corsairs can't shoot at you. And obviously your buddies on the other enemy factions to Corsairs know it's you and won't log and shoot at you either or come after you. This is true for making any alt from a faction that's actually active and patrols its territory (crazy in 2023, right?) if you by-pass what would normally be a hostile interaction, negotiation, etc.

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[Couden]

if you make a Corsair indie alt

How you can tell if he made a Corsair alt? Also what if People have many ships and playing many factions? Seems a reason to him to log a corsair Miner once in decade and mine some XRs.

DTR has been mining XRs for 2 years and delivering them to factions, groups, mining them for people. Not sure what the big shocker is here, it's literally the main way for Corsairs to make money, inRP and ooRP

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Also false. Regular Artifacts were always more impactful to Corsairs eco.

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[Ravenna Nagash]

How you can tell if he made a Corsair alt? Also what if People have many ships and playing many factions? Seems a reason to him to log a corsair Miner once in decade and mine some XRs.

Like I said, far be it from me to put everything into a big category or make the claim everyone is. I'm not even playing actively for months now, so I haven't seen anything. I am just finding some of the comments really funny and chiming in.

Also false. Regular Artifacts were always more impactful to Corsairs eco.

Xeno Relics - ''As the Corsair Imperium continued to explore the vast Malvadas Cloud, the artifacts that were returned to Crete for processing and export were researched by the curious. Cretan scientists determined that the artifacts extracted from a particular partition of the nebula were perhaps either of a different "era", "style", or "function" compared to the typical artifacts that the Empire had exported to the colonies for many years beforehand.''

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[Levenna]

By that logic, I could literally RP anything or come up with some RP pretext and start bypassing rules/Corsair ID. That's literal nonsense and would result in a sanction.

Yes. That's how RP works. If it makes sense, it won't get sanctioned. I once shot another Liberty Navy ID who was fleeing to the Insurgency and in breach of Liberty Law. Didn't get sanctioned for it, didn't even get reported for it I don't think, because it made sense inrp. Actual high quality RP and things that make sense despite not quite lining up with server rules don't get sanctionlanced.

2.3 - Metagaming / Powergaming is not allowed. Bypassing a faction by using an alt from said faction to avoid consequences is literally metagaming. Again, DTR has been mining XRs for 2 years and delivering them to factions, groups, mining them for people. Not sure what the big shocker is here, it's literally the main way for Corsairs to make money, inRP and ooRP.


I ask again, where have you done any RP or negotiations with DTR about XR ooRP or otherwise?

I didn't, because I don't mine XRs. You're assuming. I have sometimes escorted people who do, but I have never mined them myself. I just think it's both powergaming and toxic gameplay to try and gatekeep a commodity and then wonder why people don't want to interact with you over it. Action, consequence. There has been a recurring narrative that this alleged metagaming is detrimental to DTR's profit, but what about your own attempted monopoly being detrimental to other players? It feels a little bit like you're ignoring one side of the story here.

You are the definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not sure what this is based on given that I go out of my way to give people RP when they are around. Plenty of people can attest to this.

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[Ravenna Nagash]

Yes. That's how RP works.

Good to know that high quality RP can bypass the rules of the server, will keep that in mind.

You're assuming.

I am really tempted to do a ''no u''.

but what about your own attempted monopoly being detrimental to other players?

I ask again - has there been any negotiations inRP or ooRP about XRs? You've yet to bring one example where people have actually come to discuss XRs with DTR. Especially a scenario, where DTR has told someone to proverbially go to hell.

It feels

That's kind of the problem, you are talking about feelings.

I'm not sure what this is based on given that I go out of my way to give people RP when they are around.

Yet, you can't seem to cite a single RP about the actual topic.

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=190831 - this one for example was quite fun both ooRP and inRP to do and it involved two other factions.

If anyone wants to RP/negotiate about XRs, make a bulk order, I dunno do a 101 basics in negotiation like ''Hey, repeat customer = discount!?'' - I am sure the dudes and dudettes currently in charge will accommodate and do some RP.

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[L1ght]

This thread is a discussion about Corsair Laws, please keep it civil.

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[Exterminator]

That's peak comedy considering historically you and a few of other people have done everything in your power to attempt to sabotage DTR and failed. I remember that case where you turned away a Zoner that was paid to deliver supplies inRP by us, because it was supplying a DTR base while flying TBH. Literally a Corsair forcing a Zoner away from delivering supplies to other Corsairs.

Then I suppose he didn't share WHY he was made to leave?

[18.07.2022 23:26:19] [the said Zoner supplier]l: im corsair citizen so suck it up

[18.07.2022 23:29:52] [the said Zoner supplier again]: and you should learn who your citizens are pedro

[18.07.2022 23:31:40] [the said Zoner supplier]: do you treat all your citizens like this ?

[18.07.2022 23:33:13] [the said Zoner supplier once again]: i am corsair citizen living in omega 55

[18.07.2022 23:33:59] [the said Zoner supplier once more again]: im a zoner that baught my right in as corsair citizen living and dealing with the corsairs

Insisting he is a "Corsair citizen" after being explained he is not and that's it's a highly disrespectful thing to say to Corsairs over and over, especially the part about buying the citizenship. After his stubborn behaviour, yes, our pilots got thoroughly angry inRP and used force to make him leave. Should he have not been arrogant and stubborn he would be actually left alone with his business. Corsairs don't care if you do business with them if you are acting stupid.

Sorry if this is off topic, but it had to be cleared up.

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[Implosion]

You shouldn't really tell your own indies what to do with their own ore or what price to sell it for.
The fact you have an official tag before your name doesn't make you special or superior to an indie player.
In fact, it means you should give your indies stuff to do, help them around with activities, make the faction fun for them. Work for them, not against them.

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