Eh, maybe just make it not get bumped by every goddam asteroid.
Ill test in next days and give an informed opinion, havent used a barge since the patch (and my re-re-re-re-turn)
But just the fact that everytime i return i meet less and less people should ring a bell that the direction game is going isnt right. Game is pretty. And interesting from a roleplay pov, the fact that it cant get people online is telling smt...
On other hand, years ago ive been invited for the game crew and refused, im guessing theres more people complaining in this thread that have been invited more recently and also havent accepted, so, its partly your fault as much as mine.
(02-26-2024, 05:16 PM)Karst Wrote: A 5k has 1/6th the cargo capacity of a Barge.
But it's only 3.5x as fast.
Over extended distances, when the long charge time loses importance, the Barge is already much more efficient than a 5k. Not to mention on one-way trips when it can use a jump drive.
Just no.
I'll never understand how anyone seems to think that a Barge is faster than a 5k over all. its much worse.
Such unrealistic statements make me wonder if you actually play the game.
I have a working example for you.
Supplies are at Point A.
Delivery address is point B.
There is 48k between the two points(give or take a few meters?). I just flew a 5k ship between the two said points. It took:
From: 20:18:59
To: 20:21:24
Let's even be generous and round this time UP to two minutes thirty each way.
Let's also be overly generous and say dock/buy supplies/undock takes 30 seconds.
That means starting at Point A, buying goods, flying to point B, Selling goods and returning to point A again takes a minimum of: SIX minutes, of course allowing for another 30 seconds to "dock/offload/undock" in your 5k ship at point B.
Right, so that six minutes, times six is 36 mins. - Quite some time, yes?
Now, let's fly the Barge there and back from the exact same point A, B, A.
Let's say the Barge actually takes the same 30 seconds to dock/buy/sell/undock - Totally false but let's round this in favour of the Barge being "faster" and say it takes exactly the same amount of time.
This was the time run ONE WAY in a Barge recorded just now. I just docked and logged out given how laughable this is.
From: 20:26:03
To: 21:12:24
That's over 46 mins ONE WAY.
I must say, this particular Barge run was very impressive- No NPC knocks and this exact route by nature there is zero things in the way like Asteroids etc.
I welcome you to test this exact example given.
Also, if you "jump" in a Barge three systems, this is going to be faster- or perhaps not? given it dumps you 100k up at any given system's jump location appearance point.
(02-26-2024, 05:16 PM)Karst Wrote: A 5k has 1/6th the cargo capacity of a Barge.
But it's only 3.5x as fast.
Over extended distances, when the long charge time loses importance, the Barge is already much more efficient than a 5k. Not to mention on one-way trips when it can use a jump drive.
Just no.
I'll never understand how anyone seems to think that a Barge is faster than a 5k over all. its much worse.
Such unrealistic statements make me wonder if you actually play the game.
I have a working example for you.
Supplies are at Point A.
Delivery address is point B.
There is 48k between the two points(give or take a few meters?). I just flew a 5k ship between the two said points. It took:
From: 20:18:59
To: 20:21:24
Let's even be generous and round this time UP to two minutes thirty each way.
Let's also be overly generous and say dock/buy supplies/undock takes 30 seconds.
That means starting at Point A, buying goods, flying to point B, Selling goods and returning to point A again takes a minimum of: SIX minutes, of course allowing for another 30 seconds to "dock/offload/undock" in your 5k ship at point B.
Right, so that six minutes, times six is 36 mins. - Quite some time, yes?
Now, let's fly the Barge there and back from the exact same point A, B, A.
Let's say the Barge actually takes the same 30 seconds to dock/buy/sell/undock - Totally false but let's round this in favour of the Barge being "faster" and say it takes exactly the same amount of time.
This was the time run ONE WAY in a Barge recorded just now. I just docked and logged out given how laughable this is.
From: 20:26:03
To: 21:12:24
That's over 46 mins ONE WAY.
I must say, this particular Barge run was very impressive- No NPC knocks and this exact route by nature there is zero things in the way like Asteroids etc.
I welcome you to test this exact example given.
Also, if you "jump" in a Barge three systems, this is going to be faster- or perhaps not? given it dumps you 100k up at any given system's jump location appearance point.
(02-26-2024, 05:16 PM)Karst Wrote: A 5k has 1/6th the cargo capacity of a Barge.
But it's only 3.5x as fast.
Over extended distances, when the long charge time loses importance, the Barge is already much more efficient than a 5k. Not to mention on one-way trips when it can use a jump drive.
Just no.
I'll never understand how anyone seems to think that a Barge is faster than a 5k over all. its much worse.
Such unrealistic statements make me wonder if you actually play the game.
I have a working example for you.
Supplies are at Point A.
Delivery address is point B.
There is 48k between the two points(give or take a few meters?). I just flew a 5k ship between the two said points. It took:
From: 20:18:59
To: 20:21:24
Let's even be generous and round this time UP to two minutes thirty each way.
Let's also be overly generous and say dock/buy supplies/undock takes 30 seconds.
That means starting at Point A, buying goods, flying to point B, Selling goods and returning to point A again takes a minimum of: SIX minutes, of course allowing for another 30 seconds to "dock/offload/undock" in your 5k ship at point B.
Right, so that six minutes, times six is 36 mins. - Quite some time, yes?
Now, let's fly the Barge there and back from the exact same point A, B, A.
Let's say the Barge actually takes the same 30 seconds to dock/buy/sell/undock - Totally false but let's round this in favour of the Barge being "faster" and say it takes exactly the same amount of time.
This was the time run ONE WAY in a Barge recorded just now. I just docked and logged out given how laughable this is.
From: 20:26:03
To: 21:12:24
That's over 46 mins ONE WAY.
I must say, this particular Barge run was very impressive- No NPC knocks and this exact route by nature there is zero things in the way like Asteroids etc.
I welcome you to test this exact example given.
Also, if you "jump" in a Barge three systems, this is going to be faster- or perhaps not? given it dumps you 100k up at any given system's jump location appearance point.
Please tell me how a 5k ship is not faster?
If you don't like your barge - sell it to me.
I thankfully got my 15B back for a few barges I had. I still have a few. I keep them in the hope that one day the dev team see's sense. No joke implied.
(02-27-2024, 10:15 PM)Chenzo- Wrote: This was the time run ONE WAY in a Barge recorded just now. I just docked and logged out given how laughable this is.
From: 20:26:03
To: 21:12:24
That's over 46 mins ONE WAY.
I must say, this particular Barge run was very impressive- No NPC knocks and this exact route by nature there is zero things in the way like Asteroids etc.
I welcome you to test this exact example given.
Not sure how you fly your Barge, but mine, which is the same as what everyone else has, takes:
150 seconds to get to cruise.
About another 25 seconds to achieve 99 speed.
The Barge travels 6k every minute, in cruise.
The journey is approx. 56.3k from point A to B (no obstacles in the way).
Time at start before undocking was: 21:41:19
Time at docking was: 21:53:08
Journey time was: 11:49
Quote:[27.02.2024 21:41:18] /time
[27.02.2024 21:41:18] 2024-02-27 21:41:19 SMT
[27.02.2024 21:53:08] 2024-02-27 21:53:08 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)Scarborough has docked
Return journey was commenced as soon as I docked. Appeared from NPC Base facing the wrong way. Barge has a large turning circle.
So, say it took me 10 seconds to dock and undock.
Time at undocking: 21:53:18
Time at docking: 22:05:21
Return journey time: 12:03
Total time: 23:52 (1,432 seconds) for a journey of 112.6k with a docking at mid point.
Quote:[27.02.2024 22:05:21] 2024-02-27 22:05:21 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)Scarborough has docked
Now with a 5ker doing the same journey:
Quote:[27.02.2024 22:11:22] /time
[27.02.2024 22:11:22] 2024-02-27 22:11:23 SMT
[27.02.2024 22:14:16] 2024-02-27 22:14:16 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)H.Godwinson has docked
[27.02.2024 22:17:17] 2024-02-27 22:17:17 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)H.Godwinson has docked
Total time for whole journey: 5:54 (354 seconds)
5ker was 4.05 times faster (granted 5ker undocked on the return journey facing the right way).
Now using the TL that is 9k from the start/finish point and goes right to the midpoint of the journey:
Quote:[27.02.2024 22:23:16] /time
[27.02.2024 22:23:16] 2024-02-27 22:23:17 SMT
[27.02.2024 22:24:32] 2024-02-27 22:24:32 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)H.Godwinson has docked
[27.02.2024 22:26:10] 2024-02-27 22:26:11 SMT Traffic control alert: Bowex)H.Godwinson has docked
Total time for whole journey: 2:54 (174 seconds)
5ker was 8.23 times faster than the Barge and that is even with 18k of travel in cruise and using 1 Trade Lane there and 1 back.
Conclusion:
In a straight race, in open space, the 5ker is approx 4 times faster than a Barge, mainly due to the time it takes to get to top cruise speed for the Barge.
Using TLs the 5ker has a huge advantage. It takes a Barge about 30 minutes to go from Planet New London to the Leeds Jump Gate (just over 150k as the crow flies). I didn't time the journey for a 5ker using the TLs, but I don't think it takes anywhere near 5 minutes.
When it comes to any System with asteroids/ice clouds/debris etc, and there are quite a few, this is where the Barge greatly suffers. A 5ker can easily pick its way through the obstacles, whereas the Barge easily gets stuck and this greatly slows down the Barge especially as it takes it about 25 seconds to get from 0 speed to 99 if it is already in cruise.
Those of you that want to test my findings, be my guest.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
This is the part where the people who can make the changes go quiet because they are, yet again, proven wrong. Thanks for doing the legwork @Chenzo- @St.Denis . My giveadam broke too long ago to have done it myself without a deal.
It ain't about what you are capable of, it's about what you're willing to do.
(02-26-2024, 05:16 PM)Karst Wrote: A 5k has 1/6th the cargo capacity of a Barge.
But it's only 3.5x as fast.
Over extended distances, when the long charge time loses importance, the Barge is already much more efficient than a 5k. Not to mention on one-way trips when it can use a jump drive.
Just no.
I'll never understand how anyone seems to think that a Barge is faster than a 5k over all. its much worse.
Such unrealistic statements make me wonder if you actually play the game.
I have a working example for you.
Supplies are at Point A.
Delivery address is point B.
There is 48k between the two points(give or take a few meters?). I just flew a 5k ship between the two said points. It took:
From: 20:18:59
To: 20:21:24
Let's even be generous and round this time UP to two minutes thirty each way.
Let's also be overly generous and say dock/buy supplies/undock takes 30 seconds.
That means starting at Point A, buying goods, flying to point B, Selling goods and returning to point A again takes a minimum of: SIX minutes, of course allowing for another 30 seconds to "dock/offload/undock" in your 5k ship at point B.
Right, so that six minutes, times six is 36 mins. - Quite some time, yes?
Now, let's fly the Barge there and back from the exact same point A, B, A.
Let's say the Barge actually takes the same 30 seconds to dock/buy/sell/undock - Totally false but let's round this in favour of the Barge being "faster" and say it takes exactly the same amount of time.
This was the time run ONE WAY in a Barge recorded just now. I just docked and logged out given how laughable this is.
From: 20:26:03
To: 21:12:24
That's over 46 mins ONE WAY.
I must say, this particular Barge run was very impressive- No NPC knocks and this exact route by nature there is zero things in the way like Asteroids etc.
I welcome you to test this exact example given.
Also, if you "jump" in a Barge three systems, this is going to be faster- or perhaps not? given it dumps you 100k up at any given system's jump location appearance point.
Please tell me how a 5k ship is not faster?
If you don't like your barge - sell it to me.
It's easy to say that. There are players who don't want to sell "broken" things but just try to find a way to fix or make them like they used to be.
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