The Scaglainne Oir Situation was it crazy?

[Busy Miner]

I would think that making 2.4 millions an hour, mining Gold in Dublin (thus requiring only some 4.something hours total for said Core 3 max base) makes this "cheap", but perhaps you'd like to make an argument that earning cash is difficult in today's Discovery...?

I had this conversation in the Hegemon thread before, in a group the new Hegemon might shine, but alone (yeah, some players can't rely on factions all the time) it really stinks due to its clumsiness and size. Arrastras outmatch the mining results of the Hegemon by 2-3 times in a regular ore field compared to Dublin asteroids. And a Freelancer base doesn't get the benefits in refining that BMM or Molly POBs have. So more than 1 million per hour is fantasy.

[Darius]

Respectfully, good sir, you've no idea what you're talking about. I'll leave it at that and carry on.

[Busy Miner]

Respectfully, good sir, you've no idea what you're talking about. I'll leave it at that and carry on.

And this is the thick-headedness of this whole server I am talking about. I am quite the experienced miner, and people keep disregarding my experience and bullshitting me.

[Wulthus]

Why would the Mollys trust an unknown group of freelancers?

This troubles me. This line sounds like an easy excuse to drop any kind of RP interaction, in any situation.

In short, those freelancers lost their base because their RP wasn't good enough. I'm also not sure if I'm fully ok with that. Were there any negotiations between the players about the base situation out of role-play?

[Enko]

PoBs are indeed cheap to create out of thin air, it only takes a solo player in current economy level 4-5 hours to make one out of pure raw credits, then a good few hours of hauling things to the spot to create it.

PoBs are not really designed to be solo, but you can do it. If you take a group of 3 or 4 individuals making a base it is infact very cheap, 4 players can amass 20 million in 2-2.5 hours. You build it, you use it.

We've had the GF bases out now for about 2 month mark and i've personally made like 170million off of them, probably more like 200million. They vastly pay for themselves when you do that and if GF lost its dublin base and had to remake it again it would be a very small dent.

To put it in perspective, GF has 70 million between both of its bases on the base credit alone. If you want to try redoing a base it does not take a lot of effort with a few like minded individuals.

The only issue is again, have to ask yourself why. If you have a base in a hostile location you need the backing of someone prepared to do it as well.

Respectfully, good sir, you've no idea what you're talking about. I'll leave it at that and carry on.

And this is the thick-headedness of this whole server I am talking about. I am quite the experienced miner, and people keep disregarding my experience and bullshitting me.

Because you are just flat out wrong. I've timed mining runs for economy balancing, myself and many other miners can do a full run in 20 minutes. Ore is bought for 900k a hegemon load right now in dublin. Even if you are 50% slower than everyone else you still make 1.8mil per hour.

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[Busy Miner]

PoBs are indeed cheap to create out of thin air, it only takes a solo player in current economy level 4-5 hours to make one out of pure raw credits, then a good few hours of hauling things to the spot to create it.

PoBs are not really designed to be solo, but you can do it. If you take a group of 3 or 4 individuals making a base it is infact very cheap, 4 players can amass 20 million in 2-2.5 hours. You build it, you use it.

We've had the GF bases out now for about 2 month mark and i've personally made like 170million off of them, probably more like 200million. They vastly pay for themselves when you do that and if GF lost its dublin base and had to remake it again it would be a very small dent.

To put it in perspective, GF has 70 million between both of its bases on the base credit alone. If you want to try redoing a base it does not take a lot of effort with a few like minded individuals.

The only issue is again, have to ask yourself why. If you have a base in a hostile location you need the backing of someone prepared to do it as well.

Respectfully, good sir, you've no idea what you're talking about. I'll leave it at that and carry on.

And this is the thick-headedness of this whole server I am talking about. I am quite the experienced miner, and people keep disregarding my experience and bullshitting me.

Because you are just flat out wrong. I've timed mining runs for economy balancing, myself and many other miners can do a full run in 20 minutes. Ore is bought for 900k a hegemon load right now in dublin. Even if you are 50% slower than everyone else you still make 1.8mil per hour.

This doesn't help at all if you aren't allowed to dock at the bases that pay that much. And 20 min is pure fantasy, I would like to see some video evidence. You claimed as much in my Hegemon thread, but it is physically impossible.

[Enko]

This doesn't help at all if you aren't allowed to dock at the bases that pay that much. And 20 min is pure fantasy, I would like to see some video evidence. You claimed as much in my Hegemon thread, but it is physically impossible.

Sure why not, i'll make a video or just come in and see for yourself if you want to.

Also I forgot to add: Literally all three factions are open to indies in Dublin and RPA recently moved their prices to be competitive with GF. Stonks are available.

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[Straws]

I speak from personal experience when I say that building and getting a base to Core 3 max HP, with fully built modules and refineries, costs only some 10 millions. It is outrageously cheap.
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I would think that making 2.4 millions an hour, mining Gold in Dublin (thus requiring only some 4.something hours total for said Core 3 max base) makes this "cheap", but perhaps you'd like to make an argument that earning cash is difficult in today's Discovery...?

To nitpick: If we're going to equate time and money like this and then judge everything against the gold (heh) standard of money making right now, you're going to need to consider the time cost as well. If supplying the base took say 10 hours, then that's an additional $24mil down. $10mil of actual expenditure, and another $24mil of opportunity cost. Time is really the big one for a POB, in my limited and outdated experience.

So more than 1 million per hour is fantasy.
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And this is the thick-headedness of this whole server I am talking about. I am quite the experienced miner, and people keep disregarding my experience and bullshitting me.

Connacht buys Gold Ore for $175 per, and my Hegemon holds 4982 ore. $871,850 per load. One round trip takes me 21-22 minutes on an indie Molly ID (x3 bonus)
871850/21.5 = $40,551/min
60*40551=$2,433,060/hr

No need to insult anyone mate.

This doesn't help at all if you aren't allowed to dock at the bases that pay that much. And 20 min is pure fantasy, I would like to see some video evidence. You claimed as much in my Hegemon thread, but it is physically impossible.

Whether or not you can dock with any ID does not matter: there is an open access ID that can make $2.4mil/hr with very little investment. And 20min sounds pretty doable for a x4 ID or for a Gamer who uses 20 keybinds for optimal Hege turret steering+strafing.

[Busy Miner]

I speak from personal experience when I say that building and getting a base to Core 3 max HP, with fully built modules and refineries, costs only some 10 millions. It is outrageously cheap.
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I would think that making 2.4 millions an hour, mining Gold in Dublin (thus requiring only some 4.something hours total for said Core 3 max base) makes this "cheap", but perhaps you'd like to make an argument that earning cash is difficult in today's Discovery...?

To nitpick: If we're going to equate time and money like this and then judge everything against the gold (heh) standard of money making right now, you're going to need to consider the time cost as well. If supplying the base took say 10 hours, then that's an additional $24mil down. $10mil of actual expenditure, and another $24mil of opportunity cost. Time is really the big one for a POB, in my limited and outdated experience.

So more than 1 million per hour is fantasy.
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And this is the thick-headedness of this whole server I am talking about. I am quite the experienced miner, and people keep disregarding my experience and bullshitting me.

Connacht buys Gold Ore for $175 per, and my Hegemon holds 4982 ore. $871,850 per load. One round trip takes me 21-22 minutes on an indie Molly ID (x3 bonus)
871850/21.5 = $40,551/min
60*40551=$2,433,060/hr

No need to insult anyone mate.

This doesn't help at all if you aren't allowed to dock at the bases that pay that much. And 20 min is pure fantasy, I would like to see some video evidence. You claimed as much in my Hegemon thread, but it is physically impossible.

Whether or not you can dock with any ID does not matter: there is an open access ID that can make $2.4mil/hr with very little investment. And 20min sounds pretty doable for a x4 ID or for a Gamer who uses 20 keybinds for optimal Hege turret steering+strafing.

First; this wasn't meant as an insult but just a factual description. Second: people here claim that this run can be doable in 20 minutes, while the flight from POB to the field and back takes half of that. And no amount of strafing gets you through the field this fast, especially if the next ore asteroid is 2k away. And third: BMM indie of BMF wouldn't be allowed to dock at Connacht, would it?

[Enko]

First; this wasn't meant as an insult but just a factual description. Second: people here claim that this run can be doable in 20 minutes, while the flight from POB to the field and back takes half of that. And no amount of strafing gets you through the field this fast, especially if the next ore asteroid is 2k away. And third: BMM indie of BMF wouldn't be allowed to dock at Connacht, would it?

All three factions are open to indie IDs, trying to dock at Connact with BMM is clearly silly when Lisheen exists.

The field is like 40-45k away to the first asteroid, and 45k cruise time is basically exactly 5 minutes of fly time. It takes less than 10 min to mine all the ore.

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