' Wrote:And remember that if they knock half your shields off it becomes self defense and you can just kill them.
Is this true?
Even if you engage him first?
Quote:Since when has this been a rule? If I want to demand that a trader pays me 25 million, why can't I..?
because its considered pvp abuse, people demand that much just to kill them, and can do it over and over again, no one wants to pay that much when all they'll lose is 1 mill in cargo costs, bad RP tbh, but i wouldn't pay that much, and thats where its separates RL from a game, even if it is a RP server. Handing out more money than you earn isnt enjoyable, and not worth paying/playing. Limits need to be set somewhere.
' Wrote:So...you can't shoot till you demand cash, and you can't make a decent demand more complex than "cash or die" without them stopping. If they don't stop you can't do anything because you've got to make a demand before you shoot, which you can't do because he won't stop.
You're allowed to CD before you demand cash - at least I'm fairly sure that's the case. Certainly the house militaries will CD someone before scanning for contraband (which I guess is the lawful equivalent of a pirate's cash demand) if they reckon the person will get away if they don't.
No longer active online due to a dwindling amount of non-PvP (trading, pirating, mining, etc.) fun in the new version.
' Wrote:OK i have a question. What if LSF tells you stop cut engine's. You do nothing,and continue to a base since you have contraband,and make it. 5 min later you exit base,and boom get blown to hell no warning. Is this legal? same as pirate stop or die in my oppinion.
Just dont get caught? my char hasnt been caught yet? and ive had it for over 2 weeks, hm.
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to me the whole pirate thing often is just an excuse for PVP keen players to eliminate a weak target
instead of setting RP at the very first position.
Also, pirating shouldn't be considered as a serious way to make cash, it should be used as
a way to initiate a good RP, but this means "talking" instead of just shooting or demanding
ridiculos ammounts of cash, only rp'ed by 2 or 3 lines like
" halt - 2 mill pls. - pay or die" that's rp at it's poorest!
But this is exactly how most pirates act like.
Also pirating players at low levels - makes me feel ashame when I see something like that.
On my pirate char (and all others as well of course) I allways set RP at the very first pos. and even a trader
of lvl. 90 wasn't asked for more then 1 mill, often even less - actually most of the time I demanded just 1 credit,
know what both of us (the trader and me) had fun, good rp talks and this is what it should be like:
Fun by rp'ing, not annoying others
by abusing the advantage of a ships power.
Another pretty annoying thing is that "drop cargo or die" (by lawfull forces) behaviour - it might be in
character, depending on the chars affiliation - but nonetheless it's often just annoying, and only very little
rp comes with it most of the time. In particular I'm talking about escapepods as you can imagine.
They player who's got them worked for them, often hard - and then a player not belonging to a
server-faction shows up and states he's military, police etc. and demands your precious cargo.
That's just bull. - the only thing that happens is that this guy pi**ed off another player, mostly there's
absolutely no RP and even if the one who's carrying those "contraband" considdered pods is trying to
RP and give a logical explanation why he's carrying thos pods - the other one gives a sh*t for it and just
keeps on demanding the stuff an threatens.
I'm ok with demanding pods if a lawfull carries lawfull pods without having an rp-like explanation for it,
but a lawfull carrying criminals should be left alone by "officials", same thing to unlawfulls just in an opposite way.
However, I try to seperate from most players (bad) behaviour and try to show that there's more than just
annoying others in one or the other way - and maybe sometimes I can convince a player to get rid
off his bad attitudes and find a new way to RP without acting like an a**.
(I only wish I was a native speaker - but I hope I could show my point and make it understandable.)
to me the whole pirate thing often is just an excuse for PVP keen players to eliminate a weak target
instead of setting RP at the very first position.
Also, pirating shouldn't be considered as a serious way to make cash, it should be used as
a way to initiate a good RP, but this means "talking" instead of just shooting or demanding
ridiculos ammounts of cash, only rp'ed by 2 or 3 lines like
" halt - 2 mill pls. - pay or die" that's rp at it's poorest!
But this is exactly how most pirates act like.
Also pirating players at low levels - makes me feel ashame when I see something like that.
On my pirate char (and all others as well of course) I allways set RP at the very first pos. and even a trader
of lvl. 90 wasn't asked for more then 1 mill, often even less - actually most of the time I demanded just 1 credit,
know what both of us (the trader and me) had fun, good rp talks and this is what it should be like:
Fun by rp'ing, not annoying others
by abusing the advantage of a ships power.
Another pretty annoying thing is that "drop cargo or die" (by lawfull forces) behaviour - it might be in
character, depending on the chars affiliation - but nonetheless it's often just annoying, and only very little
rp comes with it most of the time. In particular I'm talking about escapepods as you can imagine.
They player who's got them worked for them, often hard - and then a player not belonging to a
server-faction shows up and states he's military, police etc. and demands your precious cargo.
That's just bull. - the only thing that happens is that this guy pi**ed off another player, mostly there's
absolutely no RP and even if the one who's carrying those "contraband" considdered pods is trying to
RP and give a logical explanation why he's carrying thos pods - the other one gives a sh*t for it and just
keeps on demanding the stuff an threatens.
I'm ok with demanding pods if a lawfull carries lawfull pods without having an rp-like explanation for it,
but a lawfull carrying criminals should be left alone by "officials", same thing to unlawfulls just in an opposite way.
However, I try to seperate from most players (bad) behaviour and try to show that there's more than just
annoying others in one or the other way - and maybe sometimes I can convince a player to get rid
off his bad attitudes and find a new way to RP without acting like an a**.
(I only wish I was a native speaker - but I hope I could show my point and make it understandable.)
Oh sweet pirates beard. 'An excuse for pvp keen players to target weak players'. Im not even going to rise to that one. Would you perhaps just like a ticket to fly a pile of junk through pirate infested territory? How about you take a look at that comment again. Pirates prey on the weak....fact. Pirates kill those who dont give in to their demands.... thats why they are pirates they arent nannies to help you go about your space bodding. OK how about we ask all pirates to fly starfliers and use pea shooters and harsh language to frighten you? Please go and revisit your comments and i hope I see you in space so that i can pirate you or kill you with my superior and frightening gunboat or fighter or even my pirate freighter which is surely the most devastating ship in the game. What was your handle is space? Please DO come via the Omegas sometime.
Quote:because its considered pvp abuse, people demand that much just to kill them, and can do it over and over again, no one wants to pay that much when all they'll lose is 1 mill in cargo costs, bad RP tbh, but i wouldn't pay that much, and thats where its separates RL from a game, even if it is a RP server. Handing out more money than you earn isnt enjoyable, and not worth paying/playing. Limits need to be set somewhere.
.. This thread isn't about what's deemed "fair" or "unfair", or "right" or "wrong..."
.. It's about piracy according to the rules.
Quote:6.19 Pirates and terrorists have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money is not allowed. Attacking traders or demanding cargo is not allowed for cruisers and battleships, unless cruisers and battleship belong to Terrorist ID or Phantom ID owner.
.. It doesn't say anything in that about there being a limit to what you can or cannot demand. Xoria insinuated that there was/is, when there isn't.
.. In many cases, there are just situations where a trader/player just deserves to die. Atleast 50% of all traders are going to attack you personally (as a person/player and not a character) upon being engaged and it's in this scenario when I'll charge them absurd amounts just to "teach" them why it's convenient to be a little nicer/cordial. Alot of these cases really does call for a screenshot/sanction report, but I'd rather implement my own In-Character justice rather than bring the ADMINs every single time a trader starts to cry foul. Besides, it's not like I would do this to any trader, usually just the ones who're constantly breaking rules just to spite you.
If it's against the rules to demand more than a certain amount from a trader, then it needs to be clarified in the rules, but until then I'll continue to use this as a means to slay snotty, bratty players who deserve it when it's called for. You shouldn't be able to be sanctioned for something that isn't covered in the rules.
captainpoo Wrote:You can, however, demand insane amounts of things (for instance, cargo AND credits) just for the purpose of killing him.
Xoria Wrote:No, pirates cannot.
You will find the rotting remains of those who have, littered amongst the sanction threads.
It may not be the easiest thing for a trader to prove in their rule violation report, but some have, and the pirate was sanctioned for it.
Pirates are not terrorists, and those who behave like it suffer for it far more than their victims do.
.. You shouldn't be able to get sanctioned for something that isn't covered in the rules.
I understand the difference between griefing and true, genuine justice (which is the only time I'd resort to such a thing), but unless the victim has been subject to pointless playerkilling/griefing, it shouldn't be against the rules. I've personally paid pirates up to 20 million before just to be able to keep my pilot commodities (which, Bounty Hunters, when you have enough of them, can be worth alot more than 20 million). I'm usually very reasonable as a pirate, I can't even remember the last time I actually charged someone over 750,000 credits (regardless of ship size or cargo) - not all of us are looking to grief anyone, and not all of us should be punished by further restrictions being applied to the pirate IDs. As a pirate I'm usually only looking to cover the cost of my ammo/repairs, and only that - I'd imagine this to be true for many other pirate players aswell.
On the Benitez forums, there is a post within our Piracy area called "Pirate Ethics". Within that post is a specific guideline for tax rates.
Normal Benitez tax= 2-3 million credits.
If a trader has less than 4000 cargo, you charge them no more than 1 million credits.
However, I'm sad to say that with this "refusal to stop" malarky, it'll be a hell of a lot more difficult for pirates to pirate with anything more elabourate than "2 mill or die".
Freelancer taught me how to touchtype; since playing my words per minute has almost tripled, but not everyone can type so fast, and with traders running away on afterburn, refusing to stop, and with the pirates not being able to do a damn thing about it, there just isn't time to type a decent RP demand.
Using admin's interpretation of the rules to batter honest players into playing like robots will be the death of this place.
to me the whole pirate thing often is just an excuse for PVP keen players to eliminate a weak target
instead of setting RP at the very first position.
Also, pirating shouldn't be considered as a serious way to make cash, it should be used as
a way to initiate a good RP, but this means "talking" instead of just shooting or demanding
ridiculos ammounts of cash, only rp'ed by 2 or 3 lines like
" halt - 2 mill pls. - pay or die" that's rp at it's poorest!
But this is exactly how most pirates act like.
Also pirating players at low levels - makes me feel ashame when I see something like that.
On my pirate char (and all others as well of course) I allways set RP at the very first pos. and even a trader
of lvl. 90 wasn't asked for more then 1 mill, often even less - actually most of the time I demanded just 1 credit,
know what both of us (the trader and me) had fun, good rp talks and this is what it should be like:
Fun by rp'ing, not annoying others
by abusing the advantage of a ships power.
Another pretty annoying thing is that "drop cargo or die" (by lawfull forces) behaviour - it might be in
character, depending on the chars affiliation - but nonetheless it's often just annoying, and only very little
rp comes with it most of the time. In particular I'm talking about escapepods as you can imagine.
They player who's got them worked for them, often hard - and then a player not belonging to a
server-faction shows up and states he's military, police etc. and demands your precious cargo.
That's just bull. - the only thing that happens is that this guy pi**ed off another player, mostly there's
absolutely no RP and even if the one who's carrying those "contraband" considdered pods is trying to
RP and give a logical explanation why he's carrying thos pods - the other one gives a sh*t for it and just
keeps on demanding the stuff an threatens.
I'm ok with demanding pods if a lawfull carries lawfull pods without having an rp-like explanation for it,
but a lawfull carrying criminals should be left alone by "officials", same thing to unlawfulls just in an opposite way.
However, I try to seperate from most players (bad) behaviour and try to show that there's more than just
annoying others in one or the other way - and maybe sometimes I can convince a player to get rid
off his bad attitudes and find a new way to RP without acting like an a**.
(I only wish I was a native speaker - but I hope I could show my point and make it understandable.)
Sorry asking for 1 credit is not good Rp either. That is not believeable or plausible for someone who has to maintain vices and crew.
There are some who argue that even role playing in this game is rediculus, also realisticly in a science fiction setting a little too much is realistic in terms of sanity and .. well what some would consider "proper" role play.
The server has obviously encountered this problem from being one of the few servers up with a population above 50 on adverage and because of that population your going to have a draw. Not for rp.. but for simple popularity so I would think the few dedicated to filling that meager chat bar with your role playing abilities you would see that potential for... well.. delluding of perpose of the mod and the server.
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