' Wrote:Anything an Administrator decided is harmful to server gameplay he or she may sanction at will.
You mean anything an admin feels like sanctioning he can use that as an excuse.
1.2 Server administrators will impose sanctions on players for violating server rules and for any actions that harm server gameplay.
The rule actually requires that the action harms gameplay, it isn't a blanket excuse for admins to practice bias.
Since jump hole ping ponging doesn't harm gameplay any more than quick docking, oorp bomber whoring by factions, or anything else, that rule doesn't apply.
Now, if an admin wants to actually show how ping ponging rises above the baseline they set by ignoring other exploits, that would be one thing, but we all know that isn't going to happen because they can't.
Quote:The rule actually requires that the action harms gameplay, it isn't a blanket excuse for admins to practice bias.
Since jump hole ping ponging doesn't harm gameplay any more than quick docking, oorp bomber whoring by factions, or anything else, that rule doesn't apply.
The Admins are the only persons with the authority to definitively decide what harms gameplay. There is a sanction for ping-ponging. Hence, it harms gameplay.
Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
Anything an Administrator decided is harmful to server gameplay he or she may sanction at will.
It's in there for a reason, which we have witnessed earlier today.
There's an unspoken compromise there, Eppy, which is those decisions being made reasonably. "Actions that harm server gameplay" is rather ominous and a guy bouncing around a jump hole hardly qualifies as "harmful to server gameplay" anymore than aggravating a couple of people who might have very well chosen to ignore him and be happy for the rest of the day. If it's an identified trend that many people employ and it really starts hampering server's gameplay, then give it an open warning and start punishing people. But hell, put that in the God forsaken rules.
There are written rules that are outdated and still survive God knows why and nobody enforces them. If someone made a report over rule 4.1 today they'd frame 3/4ths of the server, but nobody would get sanctioned. You cannot expect people from outside to adjust if they can't rely on the rules to say what they can do and what they can't.
You state that Akumabito is arguing for the sake of it, but you are failing to see the point for what it's worth based on who is making it. I don't like Akumabito's antics and overall attitude anymore than you do, but I can get over myself long enough to see the reasoning expressed by him for what it is.
' Wrote:Well Akuma, now that the sanction has been given we should regard it as a precedent to follow.
Also it has been that way for quite some time. It is exploiting the game engine for you gain. Not exactly sporting, and has been punished before now.
No your wrong this is the first time it has been sanctioned and even been reported. it's been going on for a long time and no one has ever complained. till now, sour grapes spring to mind.
' Wrote:The Admins are the only persons with the authority to definitively decide what harms gameplay. There is a sanction for ping-ponging. Hence, it harms gameplay.
The problem with that is that ping ponging doesn't harm gameplay. That's just like the silly claim that it is "just like F1" when it is very different.
The admins are not gods, they are people with their own biases and foibles who can, and very often are wrong, and this is a case where they are wrong. They sanctioned someone who broke no rule for no visible reason.
The proper thing to have done would be to warn people who do it while it is added to the rules, then announce it as a new rule, then sanction.
It makes me wonder who reported it and what the real circumstances behind this are.
But we are in total agreement here than an Administrator can do essentially whatever the hell he or she wants within the laws of physics, yes? Because that's the determining factor. All of this is invalid, because the admins decided it harmed server gameplay. They don't need to explain it to anybody, they don't need to justify themselves to anybody, because they're Admins and we're not. Discovery is not a Democracy.
EDIT: Also, atom, this has been sanctioned before, I remember Fellow Hoodlum posting one for this about six months ago.
Quote:Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen
I don't see your issue with quickdocking - its as neccessary as normal docking. As Dab has said multiple times.
Larger ships need to quickdock, else it takes them 10 minutes. This applies for stations especially - which have all the sticky out bits that the Autopilot is useless at manouvering around
Once in a docking sequence whether quick or not the ship is invulnerable, it doesn't matter if you choose to quickdock or not - except that is saves wasting a few minutes. Therefore quickdocking - even in PvP is good for gameplay.
Engine Kill is also neccessary, maybe not when Cruise Diruptors are being fired, i agree, as this then makes it impossible to halt a cruising transport. However, it makes ship turn around much faster and therefore is a skill to be used in combat.
But yes... this jump hole business, and i am a trader, not a fighter or pirate, is wrong... it wastes people's time, and makes you invincible until the pirates give up. IT IS HARMFUL TO GAMEPLAY
Its not a written rule, but if every rule were written it would take days to read and understand them.
' Wrote:No your wrong this is the first time it has been sanctioned and even been reported. it's been going on for a long time and no one has ever complained. till now, sour grapes spring to mind.
It has happened before, and sanctions been issued I believe.
I would respectfully suggest that actions like this be added to a list of sanctionable behaviours in the rules; those seeking to carry on a grudge against the admins (the people who devote their own free time to maintain this server that we all get to play on for free) are getting fuel from it.
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They don't need to explain it to anybody, they don't need to justify themselves to anybody, because they're Admins and we're not. Discovery is not a Democracy.
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If they want people to still play in this server at the end of the day, they better not to have this kind of mindset. At least it would be much easier on them to administer.
I have to say that since I joined Discovery I have used this tactic many a time as a trader as have many others. if this has been sanctioned before please can someone post a link, I have searched but can't find any. just so I know that it's for real, that way I won't be breaking any rules.