I don't think thats illegal... unfair, but its an exploitable tactic which was obviously used well. plus... trying to get evidence of it would be a pain
' Wrote:im still freaked out by the whole death star comment... and im not sure if its illegal.. everyone uses that exploit i think
That's closer to an answer, thank you.
...why are you freaked about the Death Star comment?:lol:
' Wrote:Than it sounds like a Speed Modder after eliminating the other possibilities, something that definetely should be addresed as Modders are no-go. Maybe the Admins can check the files.
No, Prowler. That wasn't speed modding. The guy was simply using a game mechanic to catch up with his buddy, and in turn catching up with me. Through that, he eliminated the disadvantage of disengaging his cruise engines. As far as modding goes, there wasn't any involved there. Not to my perception anyway.
' Wrote:I don't think thats illegal... unfair, but its an exploitable tactic which was obviously used well. plus... trying to get evidence of it would be a pain
"Used well" is an interesting remark when you consider that such "exploitable tactics" are all used to gain an unfair advantage. As for gathering evidence. I can think of a few ways to do it. A small sequence of screenshots (5 or so) picturing my ship in cruise speed and a fixed object like a planet or station (to demonstrate that I wasn't turning) while the other one decreasing its distance from mine is one way.
Correct me if Im wrong but a capital ship using cruise to chase is against the rules. Whether or not he used the formation setting to catch up with his friend or not, using cruise to chase you is a breach of the rules.
If Outlaw began to flee, the BHs had every right to pursue him. It's only illegal to activate cruise to chase him in a capital if Outlaw was boosting away.
But umm... Yeah, its a perfectly legitimate tactic. Otherwise chases would go on forever, especially with the unpredictability of CDs these days. I fired off a Train CD once, no debris or anything just open space, it went high and to the right when we were going in a straight line.
sorry, by "used well" i was meaning that he used it, to gain an advantage and succeeded... not that he was being fair in his use
To be honest i don't know how to screenshot quickly... because it only copies one shot at a time? then you have to put it into a document before SSing again?
' Wrote:Correct me if Im wrong but a capital ship using cruise to chase is against the rules. Whether or not he used the formation setting to catch up with his friend or not, using cruise to chase you is a breach of the rules.
Well, as far as I know, it's within the rules for him to engage cruises and pursue me if I'm engaging cruise as well. I mean, I was the one to flee first, so he's entitled to follow. Unless I understood the rules wrong, he didn't break any by engaging cruise.
If you want to get technical, you could say that at a given point he did break that rule as his buddy kept CDing me after I put a distance between us (me and the Battlecruiser) and he engaged cruise to close the 2k gap I put between our ships before I tried to engage cruise again. But that would be just bickering and rule lawyering. I was intended to escape even though I couldn't manage to engage cruise because of the bomber. As far as the spirit of the rule goes, I was (the whole time) fleeing. Even if I wasn't actively cruising at some given points.
My problem is that when I did manage to engage cruise, that wasn't enough for me to escape the battlecruiser. It's not that easy to counter measure one ship CDing you, but it's feasible. Two is mathematically impossible (I have less CMs than they have CDs).
I completely understand pirates not being able to pirate transports from ships bigger than gunboats, it's both one sided (unfair to the player) and unreasonable (monetarily) within RP (though I could challenge that reasoning considering that certain cargo haulers pull more stuff than a battleship can carry...). What I don't understand is Bounty Hunters not being regulated by a proportional rule.
I can understand House Navy and Police being granted more latitude since those guys are engaged in protecting territory and won't go chasing you just anywhere because they want to destroy you. They want you out of their systems. That's one of the reasons I do my best to steer clear of Houses territory. Now, bounty hunters do pursue pirates regardless of territory boundaries in the same way pirates pursue traders. Still, pirates are regulated while bounty hunters aren't. Why is that?
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' Wrote:sorry, by "used well" i was meaning that he used it, to gain an advantage and succeeded... not that he was being fair in his use
To be honest i don't know how to screenshot quickly... because it only copies one shot at a time? then you have to put it into a document before SSing again?
Each time you hit "PrtScn" the game saves a BMP file with a sequential number like, screen001, screen 002 and so forth. That's not really a problem.
' Wrote:It's exploiting the game to gain an unfair advantage over your enemy. Simple as that. Many are guilty of it, especially 'esteemed' factions:rolleyes:
Well, if you check the rules there's in fact nothing there saying anything about catching up, but still there's been a big ruckus lately about stuff that's not written and still is against the rules (?)... Anyway, I'm just asking if there's any precedence over this one issue. I know that there's nothing on catching up stated on the rules. If there's no precedence, than this needs addressing bad, because as far as fairness and gameplay are concerned, this is one big issue.
EDIT: Here's an example of what you can do to bust people for speeding (just accidentally I passed by this guy a couple of minutes ago). This applies for people cruising during fights and the sort.
Notice that I picked a fixed point as a reference for the pictures (in fact there are two, the jump gate and the clouds to the right side) to demonstrate that I didn't change direction. Then I shot sequential pictures (6) of the ship gaining ground while your ship maintains speed. Also notice my ship's speed, it's solid at 350, meaning that the guy was flying over that speed. The same "technique" can be used to catch someone cruising against you. Of course, that works best if you can actually fly straight to make the difference in speeds blatant, otherwise it's very difficult yes. If you're really adamant about catching people in that case you'll have to use FRAPS.
Another 'cruise catch-up (no, not tomato) thread'?
Well there'v been like 5 in the last month.
No point in discussing it further I'd say.
Report the fellas and get over with it. No point in ranting. It -is- against the rules.
And there is a little thingie in the rules that states 'cruise in pvp is considered fleeing'.
So, start a cruise, but don't engage after that. Simple as that.
If you were using cruise as well, then it's fair play. You should run on thrusters.
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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
' Wrote:Another 'cruise catch-up (no, not tomato) thread'?
Well there'v been like 5 in the last month.
No point in discussing it further I'd say.
Report the fellas and get over with it. No point in ranting. It -is- against the rules.
And there is a little thingie in the rules that states 'cruise in pvp is considered fleeing'.
So, start a cruise, but don't engage after that. Simple as that.
If you were using cruise as well, then it's fair play. You should run on thrusters.
Sorry, chopper, but you've got it all wrong. Also, if you're not satisfied with the contents of the thread you're welcome to completely ignore it. Now, if you'll please. Move along.
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