Kane,Oct 22 2006, 06:39 PM Wrote:The Order isn't making them, neither are the Zoners. The Bounty Hunters are. Hence, why it's called a Bounty Hunter Battleship and not something else.
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Kane, by the RP it can be construed that the BHG is utilizing plans found on the computers of our lost ships...
Just because the BHG is making them doesn't mean that RP wise BS can't make one on their own. You're forgetting that you don't have to RP you bought the thing where it's sold.
Hum-de-dum... Oh! Well, look at that. Yet another arguement on the Discovery forums. Well, I might take a crack putting my thoughts into it, seeing if it helps anything...
SF Flying Rheinland Cruiser Arguement:
I feel that this matter can be solved with a simple request sent to an RM official asking if the SF may have a Rheinland Cruiser to add to their fleet. Seeing as the RM are real people that can be negotiated with, it does seem a bit rude to take someone's ship without asking. I'm sure that the Rheinland Military would like to know beforehand that there will be a member of the Sirius Federation flying one of their ships.
BS| and StarWars Ships Arguement:
In the Freelancer world, ships such as the Bounty Hunter Battleship and the Bounty Hunter Destroyer are indeed modeled after StarWars ships. There are quite a few other ships in Discovery that have been taken from other stories. However, seeing as in the Freelancer world, they were built (or rebuilt) by Bounty Hunters, I believe that they should be left to Bounty Hunters and other allies of Bounty Hunters. If, say, their InfoCards were changed to say that these ships were created by some other faction, such as The Order, or the Zoners, then I think it would be fine for the Black Squadron to use these ships. Keep in mind that we are playing in the Freelancer universe, and that our roleplay is (or should be) centered around that universe. If you bring in elements from other universes, they must still conform to the rules of the Freelancer universe.
Zoners/Civilians Arguement:
The way I see things, Zoners and Civilians are indeed two different 'factions' in Freelancer. Zoners are people who just wanted to "get away from it all", and live a free life outside of normal house control. Civilians, however, live just about anywhere, on planets, in stations, etc. They are normal, everyday people who have a home, a job, and most likely a family. Civilans usually live out their lives on one planet or one station. If they want to move to another planet/station, then they hire someone to come pick them up and fly them somewhere else. The main difference is this: Most civilians don't have ships capable of space flight. The so-called "Civilian Ships" that are manufactured by the Zoners are really only used for anyone who wants them and can afford them. Just as someone today can buy a private jet, people in Freelancer can buy themselves a private space-ship. Civilan ships can also be used by any "faction" that doesn't have any ships of their own, like most in-game trading companies, or even a few pirates. Zoners use these ships too, of course, because they make them, but that does not make the Zoners "Civilians" just because the ship is classified as a civilian ship.
I suppose that I have much more to say, but I will leave it for later. Coming up with these long, detailed posts really takes a lot out of me. Please, just try not flame this place up any more than it already is? :)
Okay, so I think that if the RM had a problem with the SF using their ships, then they should have said something (or anyone for that matter). They didn't, thus I don't think that Ovidius deserves this. Firebird lays the law down for his faction, every one reads it, doesn't have a problem, until it is posted on the forums and BAM. I think that the issue can be solved by Zukeene's idea:
Quote:I feel that this matter can be solved with a simple request sent to an RM official asking if the SF may have a Rheinland Cruiser to add to their fleet.
On the Star Wars topic, here's a few things that everyone got wrong.
The X-wing was stolen by the rebel alliance, along with the plans (in a sense). The members of Incom Corp. that helped design the X-wing defected to the Rebel Alliance, and thus leaving the remaining workers to work for the Empire. However, Incom tried to remain Neutral during The GCW, and still supplied ships to both sides, the majority going to the Imps.
The B-wing was implemented into The Battle of Endor (it was in the movie) around the same time as the A-wing.
Finally, the reason The Empire used the ships it did:
The Imps were very keen on developing massive ships, and mass amounts of them. When you couple enough impstars and super star destroyers, you get a scary combo. In order to add to that, they used the expendable TIE class of fighter. Only one of these ships was not considered expendable, the TIE Defender. The Empire used these to strike fear into its opponents, even though the impstars and others could have been much smaller, with same power and greater efficiency.
This made many worlds give into the Imps' power at the sight of their vast fleet. The expendable TIEs were made in order to do this, believing that because they were rich, they were better. Because their major tactical strategy was overwhelm, not outfly, the TIE class worked extremely well.
Those are my points on this based off of all forms of media through which Star Wars has been distributed.
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The point is mute...I've discussed the situation with Ovidius and he willingly volunteered to switch the Rhienland cruiser without me having to asking him (and if I remember correctly when I left he was in the process of doing so). So that is done.
Now, I would like a response from RM as to whether there is a problem with SF using Rhienland vessels. If you want me to make the change now's the time to do it since I don't think any other SF members have RM vessels at the current time. As I explained/demonstrated earlier, I can likely come up with a viable RP method in which the SF could get a hold of RM vessels up to probably cruiser. I would agree that a SF tagged Rhienland BS would be out of the question. The question is do I need to impose yet another restriction or not.
All this is alright! But!... (there's always a 'but' ain't it?)
The Osiris is still the best battleship in Discovery and with it's greatest drawbacks gone (the fact you could kill it with one Heavy Mortar shot, once the shields were down) is made even better.
But (another one :laugh:) everyone wants to have more firepower.
Now, we reached the point from everyone flying an Osiris or a Battlestar to no one flying an Osiris or a Battlestar (well almost on both statements). Why has that happened? Because the Osiris has two turrets less than the rest and a bit less hull? It can outmaneuver any other battleship and can pretty well dodge fire. I still think it's the best around, I fly an Outcast Destroyer for RP reasons as it's an Outcast ship. I changed from my Osiris one because of that, in spite of the RP story I made for the whole thing of an Outcast getting one.
A lot of you can follow that example instead of thinking of whatever absurd reason to have what they think is the most 'uber' ship at the moment at any cost!
Make another freelance char and affiliate with the faction selling it or make another RP story of a freelancer getting it and I can buy that. Maybe, just maybe, one or two like 'out of faction' ships in a whole fleet would be acceptable with a damn good RP story.
the Empire/Rebellion thing: The Empire was always about having numbers 'They always fly at least 3:1 against us' (or something in those lines) was said not once by the Rebels (I don't remember was it in the films or in the games, but I'm sure it was).
If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor
Miffy,Oct 23 2006, 03:40 AM Wrote:However, I *hope* you are not referring to me "complaining" about a certian [Phantom]Reaper attempting to pirate me in a Nomad cruiser. I am relatively new, and once you fired on me, I asked the question of why you were attacking me. Once you stated that it was roleplay, i accepted, and if you remember, I continued on, unabated.
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I was not talking about anyone complaining about my activies as a phantom in-game, I meant complaining that the phantoms can ignore the restrictions I mentioned that everyone else using a xeno ID has.
@the SF:
Virus has already said he's fine with you using cruisers, my use of ovidius's rhienland cruiser was just an example of the lack of any RP stories/reason to go with why people have certain ships.
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As for all the star wars info flying around, I have one thing to point out:-
Thats not the topic.
The topic is about the RP on the server.
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Romer has got a point, there seem to be alot of players on the server who just want to fight other players with little or no RP reason at all.
Also some lawful factions/players seem to think that pirates would willingly engage when out-numbered, why?
The only reason pirate groups survive is by not fighting against the odds or attacking when they have little to no chance of winning.
Plus calling people cowards, etc, because they refuse to fight is starting to get really annoying, it's uncalled for and pointless.
Amen! If you're RP'ing as bounty HUNTER....then....HUNT!
Don't just pop into a system and say "Where are you?"
If you're defending lawful space...don't just sit in front of a planet/station....patrol that space. You know...like the police/military do. Instead most people just sit. I've even had peolpe 'order' me to come to them. That's ridiculous. If you can't be bothered to find me, then you don't get to attack me. Simple.
...and, with good healthy RP, you can even avoid the odd mauling...
Example just last night. the Daddy W had just popped into a system and into a gaggle of Red npcs. I didn't notice the RACS cruiser in their midst, and must have tagged him. He started ripping me down the the hull, and I ran, all the while telling him that our "bosses" were drinkin' buddies.. (Well, indirectly...). We ended up all cheery, even with the misunderstanding.
If you're clever in the cockpit, I'll respect you for the five minutes or so it takes to spank me. If you're clever on the comms/RP, I'll learn to respect you every time i see you.