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Offline Divine
12-19-2008, 01:01 PM,
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@SevereTrinity: Yea, you are right, i said you all are noobs...
Can you read that please, it is also from this thread, posted some before, thanks.

' Wrote:...And yea, its a hell when you face a bomber, your shields are down and than *bang* you are death, hitted by the SNAC.
If it would not need such much training and a kind of skill I would tend to say, SNAC's and also Nuke Mines are 'noobish'.
Using SNAC's against Fighters eliminates the fun for the Fighter pilot. ...
We need more "Kings of the Iron Fist"; people going out, having no glue of what a mine, a rocket or a torpedo is and just use their blasters/guns.
Out.

And yes, i have to correct myself in an later post, there are No fire and Forget Rockets, mistake by me, excuse please.

BUT: Iam still saying what is in that quote, you can have training to use your SNAC with more effectivity, and you can learn how to destroy Fighters with one shoot.
But really, yeah, excuse also that community, but, in my eyes, they are still 'noobs'.

Sorry, cause, in my eyes, a noob isnt just someone who doesnt really know game-mechanics or just havent enough skill;
A 'Noob' is in my eyes also someone, trying to make its own char uber; away from rp; so that they possibly can win every fight they are going to have, so that they can fly alone with their bombers and can have win...

Yea, some will say now, that is the sense of a game and all that, but yea, i can just repeat myself over and over to that:

"Using SNAC's against Fighters eliminates the fun for the Fighter pilot. ..."
So, the "Noob" with the SNAC is destroying game fun and making me leave after i have encountered him.


People i started to tend to ignore on server:
- Pilots with uber pvp-bomber outfits like (4debs, 1 SN) when they are alone in space (if there is a VHF too, the bomber setup is fine)
- Missile boats are generally ignored (if they hate or like me, my VHF wouldnt be closer as 5k to ANY missile boats, the danger is too great to be hit by occosual fire)

Out.

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Offline swift
12-19-2008, 01:42 PM,
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' Wrote:@SevereTrinity: Yea, you are right, i said you all are noobs...
Can you read that please, it is also from this thread, posted some before, thanks.
And yes, i have to correct myself in an later post, there are No fire and Forget Rockets, mistake by me, excuse please.

BUT: Iam still saying what is in that quote, you can have training to use your SNAC with more effectivity, and you can learn how to destroy Fighters with one shoot.
But really, yeah, excuse also that community, but, in my eyes, they are still 'noobs'.

Sorry, cause, in my eyes, a noob isnt just someone who doesnt really know game-mechanics or just havent enough skill;
A 'Noob' is in my eyes also someone, trying to make its own char uber; away from rp; so that they possibly can win every fight they are going to have, so that they can fly alone with their bombers and can have win...

Yea, some will say now, that is the sense of a game and all that, but yea, i can just repeat myself over and over to that:

"Using SNAC's against Fighters eliminates the fun for the Fighter pilot. ..."
So, the "Noob" with the SNAC is destroying game fun and making me leave after i have encountered him.
People i started to tend to ignore on server:
- Pilots with uber pvp-bomber outfits like (4debs, 1 SN) when they are alone in space (if there is a VHF too, the bomber setup is fine)
- Missile boats are generally ignored (if they hate or like me, my VHF wouldnt be closer as 5k to ANY missile boats, the danger is too great to be hit by occosual fire)

Out.

/Signed.
If that was not enough:
/Signed.
Especially the part about missile boats and bombers ruining fighters' fun

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Offline mjolnir
12-19-2008, 01:50 PM,
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Tbh if you can't kill a bomber 1vs1 in a fighter then either:

1. The bomber is unbalanced (Catamaran now)


or more likely

2. You are worse pilot.

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Offline swift
12-19-2008, 01:53 PM,
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Well I can kill pretty much every bomber pilot I ever met with my viper, but it just takes too darn long, I find it hard to concentrate on eveading Snacs for half an hour.

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Offline Divine
12-19-2008, 02:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2008, 02:04 PM by Divine.)
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' Wrote:Well I can kill pretty much every bomber pilot I ever met with my viper, but it just takes too darn long, I find it hard to concentrate on eveading Snacs for half an hour.

/yep, wether i concentrate only on that fight (and then nothing should happen in that time, cause i will need all my senses to survive the bomber) or I lose


"or more likely
2. You are worse pilot."

/and Mjolnir, yea... iam not the best Fighter pilot but also not the worst and in equal fights, there isnt said who will be the winner;
BUT, a fight against a skilled Bomber pilot who knows how to use his SNAC is just a PAIN at all and all, but fun

ANd you cant expect everyone in a Fighter to be maybe such a uber-pilot like you.

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Offline SevereTrinity
12-19-2008, 03:47 PM,
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So you're wanting a gun nerfed because the pilot found the skill to hit you with a 300 m/s gun? Guns don't need nerfage if you get killed by them, and missileboats are sorted.

But really, bombers are fine, it's the guys flying against them who aren't.

You need to learn to fight bombers as if they were not VHFs.
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Offline swift
12-19-2008, 03:49 PM,
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' Wrote:So you're wanting a gun nerfed because the pilot found the skill to hit you with a 300 m/s gun? Guns don't need nerfage if you get killed by them, and missileboats are sorted.

But really, bombers are fine, it's the guys flying against them who aren't.

You need to learn to fight bombers as if they were not VHFs.

I never asked for snacs to be nerfed. I know why they should not be. I just say that bombers should not be inherently good vs. fighters.

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Offline SevereTrinity
12-19-2008, 06:09 PM,
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It's only the pilots that decide the match, and it was Divine implying they should be nerfed, not you.
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Offline Divine
12-19-2008, 07:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2008, 07:45 PM by Divine.)
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' Wrote:It's only the pilots that decide the match, and it was Divine implying they should be nerfed, not you.

Nope, I didnt said that at any place and when you get it like I was implying to nerf them, then I have to say you, that you got it wrong. (no offence here; needs just to be corrected)
AND:
It's was never about 'nerfing' the SNAC, cause it is needed to Fight the Gunships/Cruisers/Battleships.
It is about NOT USING THEM AGAINST FIGHTERS; that's all...

The Bomber pilot can decide wether he want this short Fight and his fast kill OR he decide to give the Fighter pilot at least a more fairly chance in that fight, even if that means, that the Bomber pilot needs to retreat.

See, I own a Bomber; it is used as research and escort ship...
Loadout:
- NovaTorp
- SNAC
- SidewinderMissile
- 3 Sunfrenzy 9
- 1 Opt. Deb. Turret
- NukeMine

And I dont use the NovaTorpedo or the SNAC against Fighters or Bombers (and also not the Mines), just some rockets from time to time, when the target is in a good position to fire one (no missile spam).
NovaTorpedos, SNAC and Mines are used to fight larger targets, like Gunships and all above.
But I have also to admit, that I drop mines when Iam surrounded by at least two Fighters or more; then I try to drop the mine between them, hopefully hitting both (or at least more than one).

Out.

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Offline SevereTrinity
12-19-2008, 08:34 PM,
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So.... you will not use mines against their designated target? (Other fighters), as they were meant to be? Interesting, to say the least.
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