Population of Sirius

[reavengitair]

The Zoners, a faction less than 100 years old, has a greater population than the combined Hispanic descendants?

That's... strange.

The combined Hispanic descendants wouldn't have so many people considering the harsh lifestyle they have had. Millions of corsairs would have been butchered to feed the population, and many more would have died of hunger. Outcasts would live longer due to cardamine, but -

However, cardamine has provided some benefits for the Outcasts by increasing their average lifespan to 165 years. Many are even able to go beyond 180 years. However, cardamine has also led to a crash in birth rate.

This would also mean that the outcast population hasn't really improved much since their original numbers, considering how many probrbaly die trying to fight house police etc.
On top of that, many people would have died during the sabotage of The Hispania as the thing is now a wrek and I doubt the hispanians would have been able to evacuate everyone during the disaster.

Zoners, on the other hand, originated from more pleasant house backgrounds, who left to colonize the border worlds. They now have many more numbers due to food being grown at almost every zoner controlled base there is, and on Planet Gran Canaria. They also recieve food from traders, whereas many less would go to the outcasts/corsairs due to most of them being pirated.

[Igiss]

Zoners have at least two planets (Erie and Gran Canaria). Also, why do you think that this faction is less than 100 years old? Is there some solid info on that?

I won't continue this argument before we'll discuss this internally in the dev team. We'll have to change Manhattan infocard if the information there is supposedly inaccurate. However, Unselie, I can't say that those whom I talked to consider your numbers optimal. There has to be some sort of compromise.

Since we'll have to change Manhattan anyway, there will be more freedom about this.

[Unseelie]

On my numbers:
Everyone who I talk to says something about a trillion being way too high. I keep saying that, myself, over and over again. What I am suggesting is that we're talking about populating entire planets of comparable size to earth, and so, millions do not make any sense. Billions do. If we want a planet with large swaths(even, say, the vast majority of the land area) of Urban and suburban population centers, you're going to need at least the population of the Earth. Moreover, my numbers show that is easily possible for the population to grow to such a size as that, so long as food and land are plentiful, which I believe I'm capable of decisively arguing, and actually believe I have.

I'm making a thread in Dev right now.

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[FooFighter]

Also, why do you think that this faction is less than 100 years old? Is there some solid info on that

I think the ID of Freeport 1 says something specific about the founding date of the Zoner movement. Not too sure though, I guess I'd have to look it up as well.

[bluntpencil2001]

Zoners have at least two planets (Erie and Gran Canaria). Also, why do you think that this faction is less than 100 years old? Is there some solid info on that?

I won't continue this argument before we'll discuss this internally in the dev team. We'll have to change Manhattan infocard if the information there is supposedly inaccurate. However, Unselie, I can't say that those whom I talked to consider your numbers optimal. There has to be some sort of compromise.

Since we'll have to change Manhattan anyway, there will be more freedom about this.

Yeah, Freeport 1 says it was founded 76 years previous to the vanilla campaign, I believe.

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[Snapp]

Digs around for various info that may or may not help:

Anyway, I have to say Manhattan is everything that Tobias made it out to be: a single giant city that covers almost the entire planet. They say that over 220 million people live here -- unbelievable.

Click my sig for the "Neural Net" logs where this is said by Trent.

Am i correct in assuming that Manhattan is supposed to be the most heavily populated planet in the "sirius sector"?
Ok, so 25 dockable planets makes that 5.5 Billion people Maximum Possible on Planets alone. (Not Counting Primus/Gammu/Xerna)


Zoner origin:

Built out of the old framework of an abandoned Republican Shipping outpost, Freeport 2 was founded in 650 A.S. by displaced Texas settlers, Hamburg drifters, and a variety of other individuals looking for safe haven. They aligned themselves with the Zoner movement and its open-to-all philosophy, then purchased a series of Synth Foods biodomes for fFood production.

Earliest mentioning of Zoners i could find, except for the Planet Gammu infocard.

The Icy world of Gammu was colonised by Zoners several years after Primus, in 496 AS. Few inhabitants of this inhospitable place did not know anything of radiation that plagued the planet's surface, much like on Primus. Of planet's 1400 initial population, more than a quarter was dead by 428 AS because of radiation. Zoners tried to evacuate the planet and almost succeeded, but fully loaded transports and escort ships were destroyed by a large Nomad fleet. Numerous service robots with enhanced artificial intelligence remained planetside and kept up two robotic plants constructed by Zoners. When Corsairs rediscovered the planet several hundred years later, planet was filled with thousands of self-sufficient robots.

[jammi]

See the aptly named 'Freeport One' for the date Blunt was refering to, and Gammu is screwed. It was written so that the Zoners wer time travelers - firstly the colonised the planet before they were founded and secondly, they were wiped out before they first landed.

The Icy world of Gammu was colonised by Zoners several years after Primus, in 496 AS. Few inhabitants of this inhospitable place did not know anything of radiation that plagued the planet's surface, much like on Primus. Of planet's 1400 initial population, more than a quarter was dead by 428 AS because of radiation. Zoners tried to evacuate the planet and almost succeeded, but fully loaded transports and escort ships were destroyed by a large Nomad fleet. Numerous service robots with enhanced artificial intelligence remained planetside and kept up two robotic plants constructed by Zoners. When Corsairs rediscovered the planet several hundred years later, planet was filled with thousands of self-sufficient robots.

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[reavengitair]

See the aptly named 'Freeport One' for the date Blunt was refering to, and Gammu is screwed. It was written so that the Zoners wer time travelers - firstly the colonised the planet before they were founded and secondly, they were wiped out before they first landed.

Maybe the doctor took them for a spin in his TARDIS

[pieguy259]

"Single giant city" can involve suburbs. Take Sydney, for example. Sydney has an area six times the size of Tokyo, and a population about a third the size. Yet the entire area of Sydney is still considered a city. The city on Manhattan could be, like Sydney, a "suburban giant".

Personally, I just take the advice of MST3K, and think to myself "it's just a game, I should really just relax".

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[hliey]

I never really thought about the population before, but what you're saying is pretty immense.

But if that's Manhatten, then I wonder about New Tokyo, that is if it's similar to Tokyo on Earth.

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