' Wrote:You can also say to them on a side-note to that, that refusing to register isnt that huge issues, but could make 'established palyers' looking more suspicious at them.
Other than the people who run them, does anyone actually read these lists regularly? I don't mean that in a confrontational way, I just mean that if you have characters in a few different factions, then keeping track of the registration lists for each of them takes up a significant amount of time that could be better spent playing.
' Wrote:It get them to actually be seen as something more than undesirable elements of the server.
By registering their ship with overzealous factions which are themselves somewhat undesirable:P
No longer active online due to a dwindling amount of non-PvP (trading, pirating, mining, etc.) fun in the new version.
But probably less than yourself?
Factions are - at least, the new generation ones, judged by entire community, and their roleplay was aproved usually by the majority, or at least, improved by.
Indies does not go through this trial.
We expect the factions to be good example - which is why when I see misconduct from people on their official faction characters, it sickens me to no end.
But indies? heh. They think they are on their own playground anywhere they go.
' Wrote:But probably less than yourself?
Factions are - at least, the new generation ones, judged by entire community, and their roleplay was aproved usually by the majority, or at least, improved by.
Indies does not go through this trial.
We expect the factions to be good example - which is why when I see misconduct from people on their official faction characters, it sickens me to no end.
But indies? heh. They think they are on their own playground anywhere they go.
Nu uh.
Arent you beeing a bit discriminatory ? Ive seen a heck load of indies RP better than some faction players. Or not even RP but more like having a sense of teamwork and not screwing up battles by lolwutting into a fight with their big ship.
Factions were to be honest one of the main reasons i left a few months back. It seemed that almost every faction member i met was just as lolwutting as the worse of indies , except he had the rightiosness of acting how he wanted just because he was in a faction and had a big ship.
Things are alot better now though, thank god ... But still , the point beeing: Yue , dont judge a book by its cover , or in this case , a person just because of its choice of not joining a faction.
People are idiots on both sides of the fence, that we all know.
Being an indie, or being in an official faction, neither doesn't mean that you either are, or are not, an idiot.
The only lucky thing with all official factions, and unfortunately just a certain percentage of indies(funnily enough, that percentage is the one that mostly never does cause any incidents, meaning those active on the forums), is that they can be talked to if an incident happens, a problem can be rectified, and we can all go merrily along our way.
If you ever see some member of an official faction breaking the rules, lolwutting, or generally being an arse, mate, that is what the Faction Feedback forum is for. Or also PMs to the faction's leader.
Don't go complaining about certain official factions if you've not made a single attempt to fix the problem, either by PMs or by the Faction Feedback forum.
Note: This isn't pointed at anyone specifically, so don't get your pride hurt.
Anyways, my only problem with the indies, and keep in mind that yeah 50% of my characters are indie also, so don't make this a fight between two sides, is that if they act like idiots, and you try to talk to them sensibly, they can just tell you to stfu, and they can go ahead and keep merrily breaking people's fun and enjoyment while hovering on the brink of breaking the rules, and keeping their noses clean juuuuuust enough not to get sanctioned.
Both caps and fighters, or any ship type for that matter, must be flown responsibly, but with capital ships that is much more emphasized simply because they can cause more trouble.
But why did I even post here? My statement sure as hell won't accomplish anything, and there's surely gonna be someone who'll take offense, as the case generally is on this lovely little place of ours.
But I post anyways, cause I gotta make the last three minutes of my life worth at least something.
Edit: Seems I got a bit derailed off the topic, so lemme say something else about capital ship registrations.
Why is it such a bad thing? I can bet that anyone who's at least a bit capable in RP can put together a couple of lines introducing himself, and his capital ship in a registration thread.
Seriously, all of you here who are complaining against them, you can easily spare 5 minutes of your time to register, but you insist on defending an invisible principle and the only thing you really accomplish, besides futile conflicts on the forums between people who're supposed to have fun together, is protecting that percentage of indies that actually spoil everyone's gameplay.
Please, please oh please, point a flaw in my well.. point. (Pun not intended.)
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' Wrote:If you ever see some member of an official faction breaking the rules, lolwutting, or generally being an arse, mate, that is what the Faction Feedback forum is for. Or also PMs to the faction's leader.
Don't go complaining about certain official factions if you've not made a single attempt to fix the problem, either by PMs or by the Faction Feedback forum.
Dont worry. When i quit i was still a bit ... naive. Now i know of all those things and you can bet that if i ever see a faction member doing that , the members of his faction will know.
Appears i as well have derailed from the topic. ahem
Cap ships... I used to fly a merry cruiser before i left. Never registered it , the faction pratically dead at the time so what was the point. But yea , i dont know if its just me , but i feel that faction members dont seem to fancy it that much when indies are using their ships. The feel i got from them was sort of "Oh look theirs another lolwutting indie taking one of our big ships and wrecking our good name"... Anyways.
What it does ? Makes faction members aware of you and your ship , for better or worse.
Originally, when I fist started enforcing it heavily, the idea was to get newbies onto the forums so that they'd figure out how to RP faster and stop spoiling the game for the rest of us. Basically, 'Hey, if you want to fly a giant doomship then you have to agree to these rules, which are designed to keep you in-RP so that you don't make playing this game a royal pain for all the other players.' Alas, a very vocal minority which included a number of Admins decided that this violated HUMAN RIGHTS LOL and that single players were obviously as important as massive player factions. Lol. Then they came and took away the Faction's ability to enforce their cap registration and refused to allow us to RP it as mandatory. Lololol. Then they took away the factions' rights to sovereign territory. LULZNOPLOX. And now factions are basically a bunch of people with the same tag that have fewer rights than single random lulwutting noobs. U C wut they did thar?
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Yes , made everyone free to RP. Good thing really. And why must factions have more power than indies really ? If its a question of numbers if all indies disagreed with all members of one faction there would be more indies. If its a question of of beeing able to RP , almost everyone are able to, some better than others of course. For those who arent or refuse to there are server rules for that.
Also , i find rather amusing when people start rambling on about indies wrecking their fun of RP. I mean ... Seriously? You interact with dozens of players in a day and if just one doesnt RP you get all grumpy and say they are wrecking your fun. If they are doing that , say goodbye and move on to the next system... or get an excuse to punch a snac through his hull.
' Wrote:Also , i find rather amusing when people start rambling on about indies wrecking their fun of RP. I mean ... Seriously? You interact with dozens of players in a day and if just one doesn't RP you get all grumpy and say they are wrecking your fun. If they are doing that , say goodbye and move on to the next system... or get an excuse to punch a snac through his hull.
You cannot always 'move on to the next system'. And why should you? Why why why? Why should anyone be hostage of the same minority of people who create the same problems day after day, in system after system?
Imagine a situation, which is a reality for many.
People from faction A + a few indies perhaps from that same faction are located in a certain system.
The members of an opposing faction are also somewhere out there, and they all collide.
One faction has only fighters, and the other has an equal number of fighters.
They all RP, and then go on to merrily fight it away.
However, then comes one of the indies with his *insert ship here* and fires on the opposing faction's fighters.
His allies try to tell him not to fire, that they 'got this', but he goes merrily on and whacks all those little fighters with his big ol' ship.
And then the relations of all members of NPC faction A and NPC faction B are all for the worse.
That slowly creates more and more tension and conflict between factions and indies, and the ones arguing are ironically the ones who never created problems in the first place.
However, those few that refuse to RP and slum it through the server, popping their 'engagings' all over and doing just enough to avoid a sanction, but nevertheless behaving as idiotic as they can.
And the gap between factions and indies grows bigger and bigger, with the arguments on the forums between the players from both sides who mostly never made such incidents grow bigger and bigger, separating the people away from each other and instilling silly conflicts.
I would *really* like a concrete practical example of an occasion where some of us, in an indie char, got in any way terrorized or done wrong by an official faction.
If you have it, hat down. If you don't, my point about a conflict over something everyone actually agrees on stands.
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When i first started playing ages ago, just after i made a pirate and gave it a dandy BD gunboat i was blasted without word by a factionised BH battleship.
One time a long while ago my hacker sabre got ganged by about 5 enemy fighters/bombers/gunboats , 3 of them beeing from a faction. They didnt disengage nor tell the indies to do so.
Not to mention the countless times i got my RP bashed to a pulp by faction members for its lack of authenticity.
Mind you that this was a long while back. Every since i came back i have yet to encounter a problem with factions. I even finally joined one , and im very happy with it. But i have also yet to encounter an indie who i cannot RP with. Maybe im just lucky but heh.
' Wrote:You want examples ? Ill give you examples.
When i first started playing ages ago, just after i made a pirate and gave it a dandy BD gunboat i was blasted without word by a factionised BH battleship.
You sure there was an official bounty hunter faction back then? Even know there's only the BHG|Core- or whatever, and that's recent, until recently, there was only the S&D Agency.
' Wrote:One time a long while ago my hacker sabre got ganged by about 5 enemy fighters/bombers/gunboats , 3 of them beeing from a faction. They didnt disengage nor tell the indies to do so.
Not to mention the countless times i got my RP bashed to a pulp by faction members for its lack of authenticity.
Mind you that this was a long while back. Every since i came back i have yet to encounter a problem with factions. I even finally joined one , and im very happy with it.
It seems to me that all your experiences are from a long time ago. I can't really talk about that as I am too "new" to Discovery.
But I can tell you that today official factions are held up to a lot of checks and critics, and there's simply a lot of people just waiting for someone to make a mistake.
As I said up there somewhere, use the Faction Feedback threads. Explain situations reasonably and problems will be settled. I know for sure they would be in the factions I am a member of, and I'm pretty sure that for 95% others the case would be the same.
That's just my whole point, with all factions you can discuss, criticise constructively, and make things improve. With around 50% of independent players/characters, you simply can't.
I really don't have any kind of solution, but I post to not have only faction bashing around, but I try to make a relatively unbiased opinion, although it probably is a bit biased.
It's just important to create awareness of a problem in all people.
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