Why Zoners can freely access houses?

[Doc Holliday]

We Zoners need supplies.... Like every faction the zoners are not totally self sefficiant (or however that's spelt)
We need stuff....like fuel for instance
We go there to trade.... Zoner warships entering house space? Eh, should not happen much. But they should be allowed to visit, with the government's permission

But again.... should not be a common thing for Zoner Warships to wander into house space

Kikatsu nailed it. We don't produce everything we need so we do have to venture in to house space from time to time to get things. Also, there are some places many traders don't want to go through because of pirates, Corsairs or whoever and Zoners are a bit more willing to make those "tough" runs to and from house space with needed supplies.

Cap Zoner ships in house space? Not often. But, we do have to get to say, Ames Research or FP2 in Bering from time to time for security purposes and the only way there IS through house space. On that rare occasion, we'll announce our arrival to the authorities and ask permission, trying to avoid places like Manhattan if possible.

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[MFE]Med Force One | Tales of Recovery|Med Force Enterprises

[BaconSoda]

Are you proposing that we bore ourselves to death by imitating the NPC's course of action?
The whole thing of using NPC's actions as a leading example was discredited years ago.

Well, then, sir, please excuse me while my LWB goes to Texas to fight Synth Foods...

The point is, yes, a lot of people abuse the Zoner ID wrongfully. It, however, cannot be restricted like other IDs because there are a lot of commodities that Zoners would logically ship eventually at sometime. It's one of those things where people can do things, but, they really shouldn't.

If I had my way, no Zoners would trade anything between anything but Zoner bases, because, really, that's the way it should be....

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Kuraine]

The Zoners do not like the Houses or the way the Houses are run. This does not mean they are not willing to trade with the Houses in order to obtain the supplies they need. Bretonia does not like the way Rheinland is run. Liberty does not like the way Kusari is run. Does that mean they should not trade with them either? The Zoners are just a collection of individuals who don't like the houses and don't want to live in them, but like everyone else they still have to trade.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Cellulanus]

We Zoners need supplies.... Like every faction the zoners are not totally self sefficiant (or however that's spelt)
We need stuff....like fuel for instance

I can see Zoners going to the edge house systems for supply's to bring back to a freeport, infact the NPCs even do it (Zoner traders can be seen in Hamburg) But what reason would a zoner have to go to a house capitol to pick up supplys headed for another house system, completely ignoring the Freeports?

Sadly of course, there may be trade rout limitations for this, and when it comes to trade its irrational to expect people to trump profit for RP, but I'm sure it is possible to find at least one profitable rout that goes to a Freeport and doesn't require you to head to a house capitol for other than passing by.

[BaconSoda]

That's why they're progressively moving farther and farther away from house space, right? To trade more with the houses?

If the Zoners wanted to trade with the houses, they wouldn't have biodomes or anything of that sort. It's just silly to think that the Zoners would willingly trade with the houses and trade with them because they can is, well, silly because they committed themselves to being independent from the houses and relying on nothing but themselves...

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[kindred]

Well, then, sir, please excuse me while my LWB goes to Texas to fight Synth Foods...

The point is, yes, a lot of people abuse the Zoner ID wrongfully. It, however, cannot be restricted like other IDs because there are a lot of commodities that Zoners would logically ship eventually at sometime. It's one of those things where people can do things, but, they really shouldn't.

If I had my way, no Zoners would trade anything between anything but Zoner bases, because, really, that's the way it should be....

Let me know when to expect your LWB, i will have a buffet of Synth paste spread out for you as a welcoming gift.
I don't believe we should limit ourselves to a npc's bland lifestyle of infinite patrol paths and cargo scans but instead live within logical, reasonable boundaries that would fit the faction type we choose to roleplay.

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Devtonia ; all-or-nothing approach to bias.

[Dab]

Simply put; Zoner Capital ships do not need to enter House systems. I've managed to use my Aquilon Carrier.. And never flown it into a core house system yet. I'm collecting roughly 25 commodities for my Carrier's cargo.. I'm paying to have people haul them out to me. I travel everywhere I need to via Border, Independent, and Omicrons. Zoner fighters/bombers/freighters/trans/GBs are fine in houses.. But there is no reason for our battleships to be sitting in New London. And even more; No need to be in Gallia with any ship without proper RP reason. As was said; 'Just exploring' is no excuse.

When you made that Zoner character, you made it with the knowledge that Zoners are edge/border world people. Liberty distrusts us, we cut ourselves off from the other three houses.

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[Guest]

...Is it me or I nailed a sore spot when speaking about Zoners...?

[BaconSoda]

Let me know when to expect your LWB, i will have a buffet of Synth paste spread out for you as a welcoming gift.
I don't believe we should limit ourselves to a npc's bland lifestyle of infinite patrol paths and cargo scans but instead live within logical, reasonable boundaries that would fit the faction type we choose to roleplay.

No one said that. No one said don't roleplay reasonable expansions and things within reasonable imagination, however, going against the main values of your faction is pretty much wrong. Just happens with Zoners more than others because the values are so subtle. Johann was pretty much right with what he said. If you have a Zoner ID, don't be doing Beryllium-Engine Components....

Also, no accusations of you in particular doing this, but, just using you as a general term...

...Is it me or I nailed a sore spot when speaking about Zoners...?

Maybe. Possibly....

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Cellulanus]

I don't believe we should limit ourselves to a npc's bland lifestyle of infinite patrol paths and cargo scans but instead live within logical, reasonable boundaries that would fit the faction type we choose to roleplay.

Whats this? Expecting the masses to be both reasonable and logical?

You have far more faith in humanity than I, as most humans are selfish, illogical and unreasonable, the larger the group of people you have the more true it is.

One of the negative side effects of the server population increasing I guess, why the rules have clamped down recently. (Thinks back to an old SS where there was a merc IDed Rheinland Cruiser with Corsair guns)


Whether we like it or not, rules must be established to starve off chaos, and once again the larger the group the more this is true, and I don't think I'm talking about the server anymore....