Manta Balance

[RingoW]

He did not.

I miss comparable numbers to GC VHF, Black Dragon, Sabre, Odin, Arbeiter, Eagle, Blood Dragon, Werewolf, Wilde Wrath, Greyhound. If i have forgotten one, please complete.

Those are all ships a BHG player in a Manta has to meet sooner or later, not only Nephtys and Titan.

I think the Manta is very well balanced to all those ships including Titan and Nephtys. It is weaker than some of them, but also better than some of them.

AoM

[CCI45-px/Probe149]

He did not.

I miss comparable numbers to GC VHF, Black Dragon, Sabre, Odin, Arbeiter, Eagle, Blood Dragon, Werewolf, Wilde Wrath, Greyhound. If i have forgotten one, please complete.

When exactly does a BH meet a GC? In about 1.5 years, I haven't seen any BH in Kusari. Ever.

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In a brilliant tactical movement, i charged backwards.

[RingoW]

In the Taus, probably? There is the main cardamine smuggling route of GC's and BHG is hunting Outcast in the Tau's, aye?
Ok, Hogosha and BHG will meet hardly.

AoM

[Derkylos]

He did not.

I miss comparable numbers to GC VHF, Black Dragon, Sabre, Odin, Arbeiter, Eagle, Blood Dragon, Werewolf, Wilde Wrath, Greyhound. If i have forgotten one, please complete.

Those are all ships a BHG player in a Manta has to meet sooner or later, not only Nephtys and Titan.

First off, BHG is not at war with people that use those ships...they are at war with people that use Nephthys and Titans...same way that Chimeras are at war with Templars, Sabres are at war with Titans...if the main opposing pairs are not evenly matched, the war is just a joke.

Secondly, comparing Mantas to Eagles just reveals even more shortcomings of the ship...usually, I can at least point whatever I am flying at the opponent and press the trigger...in a Manta against an Eagle, I can't even do that...

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[RingoW]

Are they Bounty Hunters or War Hunters and if i'm correct, there are general and special bounties placed by several house authorities, BHG player can go for an income. So they will meet those ships very likely, indifferent to any "war", aye?

As i have said, Manta might be weaker to some of them, as well as better as some of them.
And if Manta is really that weak to Eagle, why does it need a 15000 power supply then. Eagle not even has current Manta powersupply. Oh, and Manta is better armoured.

AoM

[hribek]

First off, BHG is not at war with people that use those ships...they are at war with people that use Nephthys and Titans...same way that Chimeras are at war with Templars, Sabres are at war with Titans...if the main opposing pairs are not evenly matched, the war is just a joke.

Secondly, comparing Mantas to Eagles just reveals even more shortcomings of the ship...usually, I can at least point whatever I am flying at the opponent and press the trigger...in a Manta against an Eagle, I can't even do that...

Yeah, Eagles are somewhat difficult.

Zig: You're right about that I'm wrong, but I'm also right. That's why I said "Test reports, please."

Let me bring up my favourite quote.

Ok, so apart from group fight testing, 1v1 testing takes precendence. A couple of methods to remember to test before you jump to conclusions:

1. Test a match-up three times in a row, always. Then switch ships with your partner and test it another three times. Always use RP loadouts. If a result is uncertain, try a different partner.
   
2. Test a ship in a "chase fight" to see how hard it is to hit when dodging around. In a chase fight the ship in question should simply dodge while the other tries to hit it.
   
3. Compare ship sizes to each other by positioning next to each other and taking screenshots. If you think a particular ship is too small, get a different ship, position it next to the other one and take a screenshot, then post on forums.
   

Try to keep to these guidelines as best as possible. Once you are done testing, post a thread on the forums with the results, mentioning the participants, results and possible fixes specifically. If you got questions, post in this thread.

In this quote, you can see that Tic did (3) very well, however, we skipped (1) and (2). Before we do that, we can't continue in any meaningful way, just argue ...

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[Derkylos]

Are they Bounty Hunters or War Hunters and if i'm correct, there are general and special bounties placed by several house authorities, BHG player can go for an income. So they will meet those ships very likely, indifferent to any "war", aye?

Save for the little hardcoded war out in the lonelycrons...(yeah, we would like to see some fighter engagements out there, right? We're not all supposed to fly caps?...)

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[darthbeck]

So now people always complain for BHs in Omicrons for cap spamming or not flying Mantas or even using other civilian ships, but why the hell wouldn't we?

i dislike using my fighters in the omicrons,(any of them, not just manta) because the nomads and NPC's rape me. in my GS, i can kill the nomad NPC's without breaking a sweat(untill they get 6+), but in my fighter, it takes forever to kill 3 NPC's.


*looks around for something more on topic to say*
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[mjolnir]

Manta got slightly changed 2 updates back.

It is comparable or better than Titan/Nephthys/Sabre/Odin etc in 1vs1. In group fights it's generally worse than the "short" ships (Titan) or the agile + more guns ones (Sabre). Roughly equal to Nephthys and Odin.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[globalplayer-svk]

darthbeck, you know, that can say all factions flying in omicrons...
basically lets have gunboats parties?...

but AoM typed good question, bounty hunters are working for bounties, not against corsairs and orders only . they fight in liberty against hackers and rogues and outcasts, in rheinland against hessians, in bretonia against mollies, and in kusari against dragons and gc. and dont have hunters base in kusari to use?

anyway, when this is going to be put in the mod. for what it need 15k powercore? when i typed that it has too much guns, people here typed taht low class guns are weak, yes, maybe they are,but they need much less energy, so let it have powerplant as now.

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