BW line is NOT Outcast. They happen to use it, but are on the same level as Hessians with regards to rights to the shipline. Hessians also happen to have a line that is purely theirs, and use it more than the BW line. They still keep using the BW line and will keep using it.
Edit: I'm pulling out from this "discussion", I made my point.
' Wrote:Who do you think gave them the schematics?
The Outcasts.
When Red Hessians didn't have their own ships, they were generous enough to share their own with them
If you're going to deny other's access to your shipline, I strongly recommend using it by yourselves, too.
No. The Sabre was not created nor designed by the Outcasts. It is the equivalent of a quasi-lawful civilian ship. The Outcasts hold no claim to the BW line at all. The Falcata was created by Outcasts, I believe, but it is also a BW ship and available to many other factions.
Your argument is akin to saying "Mollys can't use Greyhounds cause they were made by the Liberty Rogues."
A statement that is totally inaccurate.
The view that the Border Worlds line is in any way belonging purely to the Outcasts is horribly misguided and misinformed... The Bundschuh for one have no relation to the Outcasts whatsoever, yet use the Border Worlds shipline exclusively. I believe that's enough of a proof that the Border Worlds line is NOT Outcast and is NOT sold only by Outcasts.
' Wrote:Your argument is akin to saying "Mollys can't use Greyhounds cause they were made by the Liberty Rogues."
At least Mollies and Liberty Rogues are allied.
Red Hessians want not to be allied with Outcasts.
If I would be a Red Hessian I would prefer the Red Hessian's own shipline.
It was meant to be used by Red Hessians, and Red Hessians only.
Then why to use the BW series?
Even you're allowed to use it, doesn't mean you have to.
At least not now, when you have your own shipline.
You're complaining about factions not fully using their own shiplines, yet you aren't either.
Does this make sense? No.
What makes Lokis and Thors so bad, that you don't want to use them?
Instead of them, you take Sabres and Falcatas.
I don't see any other, except PvP reasons, in using the BW series when you already have your own shipline.
I always thought the RHA would be a faction of strict roleplayers, but I guess you aren't.
You could choose between the RH and BW shipline, but you prefer BW shipline more.
What does this tell? You're care more about PvP than RP.
I've already made my point and I'm out of this discussion.
So long.
Your point is ludicrous. We use both the Hessian and the Border Worlds line extensively, because it fits our RP. I'm sorry if that flies with you as "PvP advantage", despite the fact that our NPCs fly more Sabres than Odins. It won't make us change our RP, because you're having sour grapes.
[RHA]Ernst.Neurath 52 New Berlin Odin
[RHA]Florian.Waap. 56 New Berlin Thor
[RHA]Geert.von.Nokom 57 New Berlin Sabre
[RHA]Herman.Teutoburg 53 New Berlin Odin
[RHA]Messerschmidt 60 New Berlin Falcata
[RHA]Storch 54 New Berlin Thor
I make that a 2:1 ratio in favour of Hessian ships...if you can find an example where the BW ships outnumber the Hessian ships, please, show it...
' Wrote:I make that a 2:1 ratio in favour of Hessian ships...if you can find an example where the BW ships outnumber the Hessian ships, please, show it...
I don't happen to have my fingers on the print screen button all the time.
I would love to show you what I've seen the RHA flying mostly.
And I can tell, it certainly isn't the RH shipline.
' Wrote:But you use the BW shipline more than your own. That's the point.
A point that is completely invalid, because we use both shiplines extensively, and both are actually ours. As mentioned earlier the BW shipline is NOT Outcast. It belongs to Hackers, Bundschuh and Hessians as well.
Quote:After you got your own shipline you're still stuck in the BW series.
And yeah, you see NPCs flying the BW series ships,
because they haven't been changed after you got your own shipline.
That's pretty obvious, isn't it?
No it isn't. It isn't a mod design flaw, it was planned to be this way. Hessian NPCs flew the BW line since Vanilla (where Hessians weren't even close to being allied with Outcasts), the new shipline was introduced in 4.84 so that would be 816 A.S. in game years. Not only would it be logistically impossible to conduct a refit on such a scale (Hessians are considered to number in the tens of thousands), it probably won't ever happen as both lines are used in smaller or larger numbers depending on the area of space (BW line being used in larger number in general than the Asgard line).
And even if your point was legitimate in any way: fighters are not cruisers. Hessians don't mass produce cruisers to give away, but they do mass produce their fighters like most other factions of their size or larger do.
Personally I prefer Hessian own line of ships. The thing just happens to be that Hessians were forced to fly Falcatas for so long that people got used to them. Thor and Falcata are now on par what comes to performance in combat. But since both are acceptable in terms of RP couple of people just didn't change ships for what ever reason. There's no big mystery behind this. It's just a personal preference really. Certainly I'd like everybody to fly Hessian line exclusively, but before all the NPCs are changed to Odins I see no point "forcing" people to do so.
And people choosing Sabre over Odin is a recent phenomenon. Half a year ago if I remember right there was only 1 shared Sabre in service.